Skott Karlsson Posted December 15, 2000 Share Posted December 15, 2000 I've discovered when playing the Allied side one cannot go up gun for gun against German armor. The Shermans and FireFlies just cant hold their own against the German tanks. Basically my strategy lately is to use my tanks like a big mobile mechanized sniper. Sneak about, position, and reposition them constantly in order to get a flank shot at the German tanks. And its always best to do this with at least two tanks against one German tank, preferably three if available. I have found its better to take my time and go slow even if the scenario briefing calls for quick action. Too often I've rushed to try and take out the German armor only to discover that is not very effective, even when I have a 3-1 or better superiority. The last scenario I played I basically played ring-around-the-rosey around a wooded area with a Panther tank with two of my Shermans. As silly as it sounds it worked. My Shermans moved faster than the Panther and were able to hit it in the flanks. It took quite a few shots to make a kill too. I can see why the American tank crews feared tanks like the Panthers and Tigers. They were a force to be reconed with. ~Skott~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted December 15, 2000 Share Posted December 15, 2000 Fireflies actually stand a very good chance of knocking out anything less than a King Tiger, but they're Shermans, so pray you don't get hit back. The 17-pounder was an excellent gun. ------------------ Grand Poobah of the fresh fire of Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted December 15, 2000 Share Posted December 15, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skott Karlsson: Basically my strategy lately is to use my tanks like a big mobile mechanized sniper. Sneak about, position, and reposition them constantly in order to get a flank shot at the German tanks. And its always best to do this with at least two tanks against one German tank, preferably three if available. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You're doing the right thing as far as allied tactics are concerned. Now, all you to do is experiment with the best weapon for those tactics: the M18 The M18 will give you these advantages: 1. superior speed to get into and out of trouble fast 2. good punching power with a 76mm 3. A very fast turret for quickly engaging threats 4. Costs less than shermans and other tanks. it has it's drawbacks such as an open top, little armor, and few HE rounds but for the tactics you're using it's the best tool. You could literally do dohnuts around a Panther or Tiger and they will never be able to get a shot off because their turrets are so slow. The real challenge is getting close enough to do the dohnuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostAgent Posted December 16, 2000 Share Posted December 16, 2000 I like to have 2 elements of armor. And I use terran whenever possible. If I have one or two shermans (or any allied tank or td) go up a ridge, usually all the german vehicles will turn to face it. I let them fire a shot or two, have them retreat (or stay if the odds are in my favor), then bring up the other element somewhere along the enemies flank. This works especially good when the german armor has a slow turret speed or no turret at all. They spend all the time turning themselves while i fire back and forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grobdeutschland Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Pak40, your right on the money I use Pumas like that always- while the allies try to kill my armor, the puma's flank'em-the 5omm cannon can KO a Sherman from med. to far range. ------------------ "Far better it is To dare mighty things... Then to take rank with Those poor, timid spirits Who know neither Victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt 1899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikey D Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 Official German doctrine called for massed Tiger units dominating the battlefield. Unfortunately (for the Germans) there were too few operational Tigers covering too wide an area and more often than not a pair of Tigers or just a single vehicle would be sent forward to patch holes in the front. On those few occassion when the large Whittmann-sized Tiger formations appeared there was little the allies could do but wait for artillery, airstrikes, and the safety of nightfall to save their bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wamers Kahlenberg Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 yea that is true about how the shermans and the firefly cant hold there own but if you ever get in stituation involing A pershing then you can go head to head with all german tanks except the king Tiger and the Jadgtiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte99 Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 I'm finally getting the hang of keeping Shermans alive long enough to do some damage. Best thing I can advise is careful study of the terrain before you ever start 'em up. (wish CM had little flags you could use to precisely mark pre-scouted positions) It's still a dicey proposition, but what a great feeling to kill Panthers and Tigers with the lowly Sherm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 You buy a platoon of M18's and I'll buy 2 37mm flaks for a pittance the price and have them all in a flaming wreck before the turn is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer_n_Pretzels Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 I think the British can really get up the Germans unless you are playing an Ubertank fanatic (only has Panthers or above) A tactics I like to use is to target a Panther with 2" mortars in the same turn that your Wolverines move take a hulldown position. The mortars cause the Panther to button up, while your Wolverines (you MUST use a pair) are open. The wolverines must have targeted the Panther before cresting the ridge. The result is that you can get first fire (ie. two shots before the Panther replies. However this strategy is very dependent on the Panther not moving and potentially using smoke to isolate the Panther from other german tanks that could first fire on your Wolverines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted December 22, 2000 Share Posted December 22, 2000 You crest the ridge and BLAMMO! 2 enemy 20mm's open up along with a 37mm and all of a sudden your ideal ambush against the enemy Panther goes to hell. These tactics make too many assumptions about the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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