johnstone185 Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I need help from some of you grogs. I have been playing via e-mail an experienced opponent (Carl Puppchen) since cmbo came out. We have probably played in excess of 100 battles via e-mail over the years, not to mention head to head meetings over tcp/ip and live. It seems that in most of our battles, against dug in or entrenched infantry, the best way to eliminate them is to get them to "break" or wear them down to "broken" status. This seems to cause them to run away from perfectly good bunkers or trenches to their ultimate deaths in an open field or street. In real life, how often did this really happen? It is very hard for me to imagine seeing experienced troops sit in a trench or foxhole, take tons of fire and THEN run away. I can, however, imagine green or conscript troops taking a small amount of fire and making a break for it. If it were me and I was trained, I imagine I would take my chances in the fortification. Any ideas or comments appreciated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I think this is fine. If the status changed to "broken", then they run to the friendly map edge, disregarding everything else. Sounds fine to me. The TacAI aspects people are bitching about is before units are broken and sometimes ever before they panic. Those are very hard to get right in a realistic manner and less would be more, IMHO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 There is a problem with the modelling of trenches. You can't really use them as an escape route when faced by a superior enemy. And even if you could, the TacAI might not understand that. Which means that defenders have less chances of withdrawing alive than IMHO they would have IRL. But the 'trenches' in CMBB/AK are really just a special kind of foxhole with better protection. A more thorough modelling of trenches isn't possible with this engine. But as Redwolf said, otherwise there's nothing wrong. The status is 'panic', not 'rational' for a reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Can't remember the source, but once I read an anecdote eabout D-day. Some NCO or officer remembered that some forward trenches had no covered escape route. He mentioned that a trench for the escape route was necessary, but it was not changed. On D-Day, several soldiers were killed retreating from this trench. a) People retreat across low cover areas if their position is endangered We need the ability to move freely in trenches. Gruß Joachim 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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