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Originally posted by Nightshade:

Has anyone out there got any information as to exactly which variant of panzer IV was supplied to which division's at what date. And in what numbers. Or do you know where that information might be ?

That could be tough as many records refer to PzKpfw IVs as PzKpfw IV Kz, PzKpfw IV lg.

Ie, 9th SS Panzer Div strength return on 31.12.43 was:

5 - PzKpfw III kz.

49 -PzKpfw IV lg.

4 - PzKpfw V

1 - StuG kz.

42 StuG lg.

Kz = Kurz or short, 7.5cm L/24

lg = Lang or Long, 7.5cm L/43/48

Regards, John Waters

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Okay, the PzIV's:

PzIVA-Support AFV. 8,500 were built. Only 35 saw action in Poland, Norway and France. A platoon consisted of between 4-6 of these. In 1939, each Panzer company had one platoon of these tanks except for the 1st Panzer Division. The 1st had a Medium Company in it's Pz battalions (14 PzIVA's and 5 PzII's). And the 1st Light Division had 8 per company.

PzIVB/C-134 PzIVC's were built and 42 PzIVB's were built. No BMG. A few still labored on in the 21st and 116th Pz. Divisions in Normandy.

PzIVD-229 were built.

PzIVE-223 were built.Rommels debut in North Africa included 40 model D's and E's.

PzIVF(short 75)-437 were built.In June, 1942 some 200 were present on the Eastern front...by Kursk only about 60 were still in use.

PzIVF (long 75)-200 were built. The model G was very similar and 1000 of those were manufactured. The British referred to this tank as the Mark IV special.

PzIVH-3,774 were produced. A platoon consisted of 5 of these tanks but due to shortages, 4 were considered normal.

PzIVJ-Final production model. Turret traverse motor removed for more fuel capacity. Nahverteidigungswaffe added for more close defense capability. 1,758 were produced.

Info from ASL Rulebook, section H, page 10.

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It does occur to me that since the jump from F to F1 is fairly well documented as they are short and long guns, the jump to G is fairly irrelevant since it is only a marginal up armouring and the jump to h again is only really a 'tweak' to the gun it is perhaps not worth worrying about. The earlier and later changes are pretty irrelevant as far as the Eastern front is concerned.

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Um, the armor difference between a "D" and an "E" is quite important in 1941. The former are vunerable to Russian 45mm from the front, the latter are not. Similarly, the uparmoring of the hull front to 80mm is quite important, particularly since Russian 76mm is undermodeled in CMBB and instead of penetrating 80mm at 500m, fails against it pretty much entirely. So there are 3 transitions that matter, not just one, and 4 classes of "4"s, not 2.

short and light armor (D and earlier) 440 built

short and medium armor (E and F1) 685 built

long and medium armor (F2 and early G) 1162 built

long and thick hull (late G, H, J) 6232 built

The first were all pre-Russia. The second were in production at the start of the war. The third were produced from spring 1942 through mid 1943. The last began coming out in summer 1942 (the first uparmored "Gs") and continued through the end of the war. Naturally the fielded forces lagged the production changes.

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