Cover Arc, area fire... should work but does not seem too

[GJK]

Originally posted by Michael Emrys:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GJK:

Turns out that I had no cover arc set, was that the problem?

Not the answer to the question you mean to ask, but I truly think the problem is that you sent your tank in close to an area where there were known or suspected enemy units and plenty of cover for them to work in even closer and you did it without heavy infantry escort to guard the tank from this kind of close in attack. This is just poor tactics and invites the kind of response you got.

In this kind of situation, the best tactic is to call in artillery while your own infantry gets in close. Then, after the arty has lifted, clear the houses etc. with infantry with the tank standing off close enough to support the infantry but not close enough to get shot at with a PF, grenade bundle, etc.

Sending a tank into close cover that hasn't been cleared by infantry first is asking for grief.

Michael </font>

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by GJK:

Actually, the tanks (3 of them) started the scenario there in a box just large enough to contain them. This is a beta scenario that I'm otherwise really enjoying - confused as to the purpose of these 3 tanks being there though the briefing said that the Soviets had managed to sneak 3 tanks to the other side of town.

That does sound slightly odd, though certainly conceivable. I wonder what the designer had in mind.

Michael

[Michael Emrys]

Originally posted by c3k:

If I set a covered arc command, then, within that covered arc I set an area target command, I do that to fire upon a _suspected_ enemy position. When, and if, I flush that enemy from cover, I want to shift my targeting priority off the area target and on to the actual unit.

If I set only an area target, then, no matter what else (other than an immediate, direct threat to my unit) I want to continue to fire on that area for the entire turn.

If I set only a covered arc, I only want to fire on any enemy unit which may appear within that covered arc.

That sounds great and I hope the system will be modified to accomodate it.

The only work around seems to be to use two units: one to area fire, as the "flusher", the other as the covered arc-er, to fire upon any "flushed" targets.

We seem to have a consensus on that as well.

Michael

[Dschugaschwili]

Originally posted by c3k:

If I set a covered arc command, then, within that covered arc I set an area target command, I do that to fire upon a _suspected_ enemy position. When, and if, I flush that enemy from cover, I want to shift my targeting priority off the area target and on to the actual unit.

If I set only an area target, then, no matter what else (other than an immediate, direct threat to my unit) I want to continue to fire on that area for the entire turn.

If I set only a covered arc, I only want to fire on any enemy unit which may appear within that covered arc.

Ken

Covered arcs can also be used to "protect" area fire orders from TacAI intervention. For example I had situations where I wanted to smoke a specific spot with a gun, but the TacAI always decided that it would be better to fire at a MG somewhere completely different. So I set a very narrow covered arc around the smoke target spot, and then it worked.

Your suggestion would make this use of covered arcs almost impossible because my gun would switch to any unit within the arc.

I guess we can't have everything.

Dschugaschwili

[elPato]

I'm with Mr. Emrys.. A tank that is close enough to infantry (especially anti-tank infantry) in cover that the infantry can close with it in one turn and kill it is a tank that is begging for its own death.

Never expose your tanks like that... The are more valuable standing off and providing area suppressive fire while a friendly infantry unit clears them out.

[Joachim]

Originally posted by Dschugaschwili:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by c3k:

If I set a covered arc command, then, within that covered arc I set an area target command, I do that to fire upon a _suspected_ enemy position. When, and if, I flush that enemy from cover, I want to shift my targeting priority off the area target and on to the actual unit.

If I set only an area target, then, no matter what else (other than an immediate, direct threat to my unit) I want to continue to fire on that area for the entire turn.

If I set only a covered arc, I only want to fire on any enemy unit which may appear within that covered arc.

Ken

Covered arcs can also be used to "protect" area fire orders from TacAI intervention. For example I had situations where I wanted to smoke a specific spot with a gun, but the TacAI always decided that it would be better to fire at a MG somewhere completely different. So I set a very narrow covered arc around the smoke target spot, and then it worked.

Your suggestion would make this use of covered arcs almost impossible because my gun would switch to any unit within the arc.

I guess we can't have everything.

Dschugaschwili </font>