MPK Posted May 7, 2005 Share Posted May 7, 2005 Can anyone point me in the right direction for information on this topic? I am most curious about the TO&E of the Airborne Brigades just before the Great Patriotic War, and their method of landing their heavy equipment. Thanks in advance, Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zveroboy Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/csi.asp The Soviet Airborne Experience by Glantz (pdf). Scroll down the page it is located under Research Surveys I think the heavy weapons were supposed to be airlanded after the initial para detachment had secured a landing zone. The only support weapons mentionned are antitank rifles, 82 mm mortars and light mortars. The Germans also report Soviet troops with machine guns and grenade launchers along the Smolensk-Vyaz'ma highway. So I dont know if they received all the 45mm guns and flamethrowers they had on the TOE. Concerning the light tanks (T-37) I am pretty sure they didnt have any at least in the Viaz'ma operation in 1942. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPK Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 Thanks Zveroboy; The site is down at this moment; I'll check it out later (or buy the book). Zaloga mentions a "Paratroop Tank Bn" of 50 T-38's for 1940... I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that light howitzers (of the Mountain Gun type)were part of the Soviet Airborne Brigade TO&E and would be surprised if this were not so... But then, I am often surprised... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 MPK - by TOE they had lots of heavy weapons - 76mm IGs, 45mm ATGs, some light armor even. By my actual readings about air drops, they never took these along. If was the squad infantry, a few MGs, and 82mm mortars - that's it. Nothing you would find above battalion level in the German infantry. The heavier stuff would be with them when they deployed by truck along the front, which was often. But actual combat air drops, they just left it behind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPK Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 Thanks Jason... "But actual combat air drops, they just left it behind"... why? lack of transport aircraft/gliders? Given that my scenario idea is defiantly ahistorical- a battle between Sov Airborne and Rumanian frontier troops during the annexation of Bessarabia- I figured I might use the full range of equipment available to the Airborne Brigade whether or not such was the actual practice... I know this is wrong, and I'm trying hard to change... Seriously, Mollo ['The Armed Forces of WW2', Orbis, 1981] lists a Frontier Division for the Rumanian army, and I am wondering if these were better-quality troops, as is sometimes the case with units tasked with border security... If anybody can shed light on this, or has other pertinent information, please post... Thanks again, Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zveroboy Posted May 8, 2005 Share Posted May 8, 2005 I dont think the site is down, but it surely takes a while to load (the pdf is 30 meg). The problem is that the Soviets were reorganizing their army in 1940 but Barbarossa forced them to proceed to another reorganization shortly after. So you have a TOE for 1940 and another for 1941 but it is difficult to know what equipment they really had in practice and what was only paper strength. Airborne Brigade 1940 : Strength : 3000 men and 11 tanks It had the following elements : 1/ A parachute group with 2 battalions (546 men each). Each battalion had 3 companies of 141 men; and each company had a 50mm mortar platoon. On top of this they also had a signal platoon, a sapper/demolition platoon and a small recon platoon (37 men) and possibly a company with motorcycles/bicycles. 2/ A glider group with the same organization as the parachute group. 3/ An airlanded group with the heavy weapons consisting of : 1 mortar company (9x82mm) 1 aa company (12 heavy aa mgs) 1 tank company (11 T-40 or T-38) 1 arty battalion with a battery of 4x45mm and a battery of 4x76mm Then in 1941 the new airborne brigade TOE seems to get rid of the gliders, increase the number of light tanks, reinforce the battalions and equip them with flamethrowers (1 platoon/battalion ) Airborne Brigade 1941 : 4 parachute battalions (678 men each) 1 tank battalion (50 T-37 later reduced to 32) 1 brigade arty with 6x76mm, 12x45mm and 6x82mm 1 recon company (bicycles) 1 aa mg company So yes there was a tank battalion, well at least in theory. In practice it seems that although the airborne corps were at full personel strength, they lacked equipment especially tanks and radio. Besides it was not until mid 1942 that the reorganization was complete. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPK Posted May 8, 2005 Author Share Posted May 8, 2005 That's very helpful & interesting... Much appreciated. BTW I had not previously known that Tukhachevsky was an ardent proponent of airborne forces... I hope there is a biography of him out there somewhere (in English, my Russian's pretty rudimentary). I guess I can choose from 1940 or 1941 brigade TOEs, since one might argue that a particular brigade in 1941 might be either reorganized or be about to... Thanks to you both, Matt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobs_ladder2 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I think there is a book in the Charles C. Sharp series dedicated to the airborne forces. Vol 4 - "Red Guards", Soviet Guards Rifle and Parachute Infantry Units, 1941-45 Look for it on the George Nafziger website here . Cheers Paul 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobs_ladder2 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by Zveroboy: http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/csi.asp The Soviet Airborne Experience by Glantz (pdf). Scroll down the page it is located under Research Surveys Great source. Thanks. I had forgotten about this one. Cheers Paul 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon DC Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 The source I have only goes back to 1943. But interestingly, it lists an "airborne cavalry" company as part of the brigade. I wonder what that airdrop must have looked like!? What would constitute airborne cavalry? Could that be bicycles? This is from "The handbook of the Eastern Front." Editor: Keith Bonn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPK Posted May 11, 2005 Author Share Posted May 11, 2005 "What would constitute airborne cavalry? Could that be bicycles?" Could it perhaps be motorcycles? Did the Soviets have the parachutist's folding motorbike like the West? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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