Slyss Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 I just purchased this game so I'm still a little new so bear with me. Here's the setup. 700 point battle. Combined arms. Had computer pick equipment (prolly one of my favorite features). I ended up with 4 vehicles. 3 halftracks with machine guns. One Nashorn 88 gun. Opponent had a couple of halftracks (50 cals) and a stuart. From the start, I moved my halftacks up into a postion that looked like it had good fields of fire to me. I moved my infantry up in a support type fashion. Then I moved the Nashorn up and made sure my artillery spotter was behind a wall. Seems pretty logical to me. Anyway, all of a sudden a halftrack goes screaming by at flanking speed and catches my Nashorn in the side and takes it out. Then it loops around the back of the map and zaps my spotter and then starts hosing my troops from the rear. If I would have not moved from the initial setup, this would not have happened. Is this what everyone talks about as being a Gamey Tactic? Needless to say I was PO'ed and felt kinda cheated. Should I be upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slyss: Is this what everyone talks about as being a Gamey Tactic? Needless to say I was PO'ed and felt kinda cheated. Should I be upset?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I wouldn't say its gamey. The OOBs on each side were limited and both sides did what they could with what they had. Don't be upset. In the future, keep some asset back to handle those end-arounds and give your opponent the surprise. Jumbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 Yea! That's what the French said to. No fair sneaking around behind us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 Are you playing with full Fog of War? If not you should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 You take it as a lesson. Yes, your opponent read your situation and countered you. There will be more, and yes sometimes its very, very bad. Muhahahaha!!!! ------------------ 'Lets go you apes! You want to live forever?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 You take it as a lesson. Yes, your opponent read your situation and countered you. There will be more, and yes sometimes its very, very bad. Muhahahaha!!!! ------------------ 'Lets go you apes! You want to live forever?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 You take it as a lesson. Yes, your opponent read your situation and countered you. There will be more, and yes sometimes its very, very bad. Muhahahaha!!!! ------------------ 'Lets go you apes! You want to live forever?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiJoe Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 Its a pisser when it happens to you, but its the sweetest move of the year when you do it to someone else Is it historical? prolly not... I doubt too many ht' knowing raced into enemy territory unsupported like that. Is it gamey? well its a matter of opinion... I'd say no. These are small, nasty little battles we fight in cm. They require a bit of "jammy" play sometimes, just like I would expect happened on the odd occasion in real life. Its bravardo and cunning, you have to be 1 step ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 You take it as a lesson. Yes, your opponent read your situation and countered you. There will be more, and yes sometimes its very, very bad. Muhahahaha!!!! ------------------ 'Lets go you apes! You want to live forever?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 You take it as a lesson. Yes, your opponent read your situation and countered you. There will be more, and yes sometimes its very, very bad. Muhahahaha!!!! ------------------ 'Lets go you apes! You want to live forever?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slyss Posted January 12, 2001 Author Share Posted January 12, 2001 Hmmm. Well thanks for all the opinions. BTW I did have fog of war on. I wouldnt try it without it. Anyway it kinda taught me a lesson about guarding my flanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 Flank Security, thus endeth the lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhammer Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 3 Critical Errors? "I moved my halftacks up into a postion that looked like it had good fields of fire to me." Ususally giving your units good fields of fire results in giving the enemy excellent exposure to your units. If you see me, I see you type of thing. "Then I moved the Nashorn up" A Nashorn should not be moved up. It is a standoff weapon. This should of been in your rear overwatching and/or guarding your flank(s). "made sure my artillery spotter was behind a wall" While a wall provides protection, it does not provide very good concealment. I have never had arty spotters attacked by direct fire. I keep them in woods, pines, and buildings. Mine have never been spotted. Lessons Learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted January 12, 2001 Share Posted January 12, 2001 I'm gald we agree it is not a gamey thing to do. I have done that or something VERY simliar many times. I would have even tried to send 2 HT's in that situation and I would have put rifle squads and anti tank teams in both of them with an HQ unit. In a game with that many points (only 700) inserting two HT's with .50 cals and two rifle squads and an HQ unit and an anti tank team into the backfield of your opponent near some woods and buildings could be a real death blow if you could also engage the rest of his units frontally at the SAME time. I'm not sure this tactic may have ever actually been used historically, but in a game that size, going after that Nashorn with an anti tank team mobilized in some fast like an HT WITH a .50 cal on it makes alot sense to me. For the next time, just do the same to your opponent and expect that EVERY player you play may try to out Flank you or insert a "nuisance" force in your rear. Is that gamey? (I sure hope not!) -tom w [This message has been edited by aka_tom_w (edited 01-12-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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