Olle Petersson Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Check out this thread with practical tests and technical data on the subject. The truth about Panther turret travers speed? Panther turret could turn 15deg/s in perfect conditions, but normally 1/3 of that... Cheers Olle ------------------ Strategy is the art of avoiding a fair fight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Nice! BTS was sure on right tracks about making traverse dependant on experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 It definitely was interesting to read comments there from a curator of the Patton Museum for armored vehicles. Guys like those can sometimes get the opportunity to "test out" what a historical tank could do either in theory or in practicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest machineman Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Definately interesting. Still, the curators opinion seems to be based on the fact that the Sherman does not need to be revved or speed selected, therefore the Panther shouldn't either, therefore he makes a big deal of this. In other words, if you run a Panther like a Sherman, the turret is going to be very slow. But, a Panther was not made to be run like a Sherman. 1)the later two speed+variable speed hydraulic system was DESIGNED to take advantage of a)selecting the correct speed (one of two, not that hard), and b)taking advantage of engine revs (it can't be THAT hard to rev an engine, even a touchy one. The operators manual reccs working rpm on these engines at 1800-2000) 2)if moving any hydraulic system will load an engine, especially one moving a big gun like that. However, operating rpm should be kept at 1800-2000 anyway, and speed regulated with the gears. In which case unless you were travelling in road gear there should be plenty of extra power to play with. The Panther after all had a powerful engine for it's size. I suspect a Sherman would be shifted less (as the transmission was not as sophisticated) and the rpm varied more. I'd like to see what other Panther owners have to put in on this, say the museums of Munster, Bovington, or Samur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rune Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Bumping this for two reasons: 1. Charles answered many questions for me in doing research for CM. He has my eternal thanks. 2. Gee, Remember all the hollaring over this? Rune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 yes, bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juardis Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Originally posted by illo: Nice! BTS was sure on right tracks about making traverse dependant on experience. Did BTS make this change in 1.1? I don't recall that being one of the fixes. Maybe you meant it will be looked at for CM2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 IIRC it will be changed for the FLAT wide open expanse of the steppes of Russia in CM2. Sounds like the Patton guys need more training. Wonder where we sign up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Just to let you all know, I posted that question in the AFV forum the other night. After finding out about this method of turret traverse, I wanted to find hard facts about weather this was true or not. Weather or not Steve and Charles decide to put this in CM, it seems that this was a fairly common practice among tank gunners. It also seems that this "stand still" turret traverse operation was also employed in Tiger and Tiger II tanks as well. Note: The panther D incapable of this operation, but the panther A G and G late was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Just to let you all know, I posted that question in the AFV forum the other night. After finding out about this method of turret traverse, I wanted to find hard facts about weather this was true or not. Weather or not Steve and Charles decide to put this in CM, it seems that this was a fairly common practice among tank gunners. It also seems that this "stand still" turret traverse operation was also employed in Tiger and Tiger II tanks as well. Note: The panther D incapable of this operation, but the panther A G and G late was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Originally posted by Freak: Just to let you all know, I posted that question in the AFV forum the other night. After finding out about this method of turret traverse, I wanted to find hard facts about weather this was true or not. Weather or not Steve and Charles decide to put this in CM, it seems that this was a fairly common practice among tank gunners. It also seems that this "stand still" turret traverse operation was also employed in Tiger and Tiger II tanks as well. Note: The panther D incapable of this operation, but the panther A G and G late was. Tiger I had a single speed turret tranverse much like the Panther D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PzKpfw 1 Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Originally posted by machineman: Definately interesting. Still, the curators opinion seems to be based on the fact that the Sherman does not need to be revved or speed selected, therefore the Panther shouldn't either, therefore he makes a big deal of this. In other words, if you run a Panther like a Sherman, the turret is going to be very slow. That was my problem with the comments as well machineman. We can take all these negative comparisons problem is we have no 1st hand anecdotal evidence etc, concerning how the traverse worked operationaly, all one could see from reading the Panther's problem & improvements implemeted data is a lack of any traverse related problems. Regards, John Waters ------------------ "We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the German Royal Tiger come up on the field". Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. February 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak Posted January 24, 2001 Share Posted January 24, 2001 I was hoping BTS might address this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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