bojangles Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 I'm just making a suggestion. I think that for CM2, the planes should be visible. Just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 There is no seen air craft because there are no set types of air craft. There other reasons as well. But I don't remember them as it was last discussed a year ago. [ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capitalistdoginchina Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 I would be satisfied if we could just have some sort of recognition that one has been shot down, right now we see the shadow of a live plane and the sound of it passing and straffing - but you have no audio/visual clue that you have shot one down. I would love to be able to see wreckage, or even to add a sound wave file of a plane plumetting and crashing to earth. The icing on the cake would be to see a little parachute floating down so we could capture the pilot too CDIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 I think thats a little out of CM scope. As for wrechage the plane most likly would crash off the map... after all most CM maps are way under 1 mile. And a Air caft going most likely over 150 miles per hour wouldn't crash any where near the map. Maybe a few miles away. [ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 Speaking of planes, I really hope they model the Hs 129b and Ju-87G-1s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 BTS said they were not going to model individual types of Planes and stick the generic Figher bomber. [ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacheldraht Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 Well, there's always IL-2 Sturmovik for the air/ground war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 CM is a ground warfare game. Aircraft are beyond what BTS would or should be expected to model. They have done very well in including CAS at all. If you want planes, get a flight simulator. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I would be satisfied if we could just have some sort of recognition that one has been shot down<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Last time I shot a plane down, I heard an explosion and the shadow disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacheldraht Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 It may be a ground warfare game, but air power obviously played a major tactical role throughout much of the war, particularly the period and area modeled in CM. I've always felt it's underrepresented the game. Combined arms was the name of the game, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mensch Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Aitken: Last time I shot a plane down, I heard an explosion and the shadow disappeared.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> uh.. Dave, isn't that illegal? dammit who let in the terroists here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 I think Scotland Yard will want to have a word with Mr Aitken! Mace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 Don't worry, I'm not a terrorist – it was an act of war and therefore perfectly legal. Now I'm off to make a RPG attack on Downing Street. *Echelon agents tap in to thread* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fieldmarshall Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 How about this --a nice German black project, begun reasearch in early 1945 and much thanks to one of my favorite web sites Luft' 46, I am into fine scale models and the GErman air craft black projects are my favorite besides kraut tanks.... I have a resin model kit of this very plane and it is sweeeeeeet... by the way to any people with Qs about what it uses its a RAMJET [ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: Fieldmarshall ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stacheldraht: It may be a ground warfare game, but air power obviously played a major tactical role throughout much of the war, particularly the period and area modeled in CM. I've always felt it's underrepresented the game. Combined arms was the name of the game, after all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Anymore proof of that than your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 Hey Fieldmarshall, you owe me a PBEM file! If I remember correctly, I was just about to put some AP through the back of your Panther... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fieldmarshall Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 Ok aitken but I dont have time this week..as it looks since you have obviously been cheating using the auto save because you even found the arty spotters behind the hill.....and I already have another PBEM and other responsibilities (job I know but its for summer and high school and the like I work in a hobby shop, ah its like I am in heaven...) anyway sniffel* sniffel* you win...for now,,,,but I will once again some day challenge you to a SCENARIO not a QB some time.......hahahahha Best of luck -Fieldmarshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 Damn, you found me out. It would have been really tough shelling all your troops sitting in full view of my positions unless I hacked the game... and as for the Panther, everyone knows it was invincible, even to 17 pounder shots from the rear. And of course you were crippled by that 150% force strength thing... you're right, we really ought to have a rematch on more even terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacheldraht Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Anymore proof of that than your opinion? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, the histories, memoirs, and documentaries I've seen and read on the ETO. Read about D-Day, the breakouut, the Ardennes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stacheldraht: Yes, the histories, memoirs, and documentaries I've seen and read on the ETO. Read about D-Day, the breakouut, the Ardennes, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Err, yes I have read a lot of these, thank you very much, and according to my interpretation of the sources I have read, air support is at best correctly, but probably slightly overmodelled, it certainly is not undermodelled. Most of the effect was on supply lines, and support units, not on the battles that CMBO depicts. The breakout, Cobra, Totalize - massive bombardments, outside the scope of CMBO Falaise - shoot 'em up of supply columns in a traffic jam Ardennes - hitting the supply columns Epinal, Mortain, probably overstated in the context of battles, but huge impact in getting onto the battlefield in time, and freedom of movement; outside CMBO's scope Steve has written some lengthy posts on sir support on page three and four of the new SMG proposal thread. Maybe you want to read those. Anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacheldraht Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Steve has written some lengthy posts on sir support on page three and four of the new SMG proposal thread. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks for the link. Interesting arguments there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 What about Kursk where 9th Panzer lost something like 70 tanks in less than an hour to Sturmoviks while in the middle of an assault on Ponyri? Or the Russian Brigade destroyed almost entirely by airpower while trying to launch an attack into the flank of the SS Panzer Corps? [ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: panzerwerfer42 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 Battles where your tanks are trying to fend off massive air attack wouldn't be much fun, would they? A plane adds another dimension to a battle, but there is no place in CM for more than a couple. In order for that kind of fight to be even, the side with the planes would have to have no ground forces, ie. nothing at all to command. I repeat, CM is a ground combat game, so while it can feature the odd plane, air-ground battles are outwith its scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenfive2 Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 I know the scale is different, but I like the planes in Steel Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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