Titan Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 One opponent of mine decided to use one. The problem is there is no water on the map,and it is placed directly on his end of the map in the open.I cant move or sight my units without them firing onto this damn thing and giving themselves away. My opponent is a very good player in his own right,and i understand this to be more of a joke than a gamey tactic to win on his part, and im not really bothered by the whole thing. But if it became a standard tactic for alot of players to place them everywhere it would be damn pain. I cant seem to blow this damn boat up has anyone else got any opinions or ideas about this issue ------------------ "Some people don't see the light until they first feel the heat" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNZer Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 My opinion is, that's damn funny =) PeterNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Oberst Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 Now that is "Creative Employment of Battlefield Resources" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannheim Tanker Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 Maybe we should have a patch to limit the speed of assault boats in open terrain to prevent them from being used for gamey recon ------------------ "The real groundbreaker of CM isn't the 3D modeling, it's the 'holy crap! what the heck was THAT' factor." - Dalem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Titan: One opponent of mine decided to use one. The problem is there is no water on the map,and it is placed directly on his end of the map in the open.I cant move or sight my units without them firing onto this damn thing and giving themselves away. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I discovered that one a while ago. I did it as a joke, and the thing turned out to be indestructible. An extremely gamey use would be to locate them on your flanks as alarms to let you know when someone is coming around the side. One solution is for the QB generator purchase screen to not list them-- the auto map machine doesn't make rivers, so there's no need for boats. I've seen frozen lakes in automaps, but I don't think I've seen open ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNZer Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 I've seen a couple of duck ponds in automaps. Hardly worth crossing in a boat tho! Both times they've been around 80 by 80 meters PeterNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahauschild Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 Well, defently funny. But i would consider this a gamey tactic. The only reason to place those boats is to draw fire. Not a very realistic way of using the resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbaro Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 In a design I placed assault boats on the "Wrong" side of the river with some engineers as a reinforcement. I had a hell of a time because they were dropped in so far from the river and because of minipulation difficulties. They are not the easiest unit to get what you want out of them. You think that this or that move is set and a turn later it hasn't happened. Trying to embark and disembark troops can be tricky, especially if you try to program the moves across turn time bounderies. And I lost a number when morters started falling, at least they seem to die when on water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrapGame Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 Titan, You said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>My opponent is a very good player in his own right,and i understand this to be more of a joke than a gamey tactic to win on his part...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The fact that he is a very good player makes me think that this fits the definition of a "gamey" tactic. Just my $.02 ------------------ CrapGame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj. Bosco Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 Has anyone else noticed that boats can move on land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted October 2, 2000 Share Posted October 2, 2000 Yes they can move on land what's wrong with that? These aren't yachts they are collapsable canvas (or other materials) assault boats (similar to an RB7 or an RB15 in use today) with their own inherent crews. It's perfectly feasible for them to be carried or dragged even if ther's not an animation that shows it as such. Los Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNZer Posted October 3, 2000 Share Posted October 3, 2000 It's the hamsters secret plot, load up the boats and let them charge the enemy packed with explosive flatulence, carefully picked and packed. Very cunning PeterNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commissar Posted October 3, 2000 Share Posted October 3, 2000 I wish there would be motored Assault botes in future CM games (not CM2 obviously). The ones we have now are row boats, I'd like more of a carrier or a motorboat. Machine gun isn't necessary, but would be nice. They'd be destructible of course... The main reason I want these is because I recently made a scenario where serveral platoons of men had to cross a maze of islands populated with the enemy on boats. I didn't know these damn things were so slow! When I thought "Assault" boat, I thought a motroboat, and a fast one at that! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted October 3, 2000 Share Posted October 3, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Titan: One opponent of mine decided to use one. The problem is there is no water on the map,and it is placed directly on his end of the map in the open.I cant move or sight my units without them firing onto this damn thing and giving themselves away. My opponent is a very good player in his own right,and i understand this to be more of a joke than a gamey tactic to win on his part, and im not really bothered by the whole thing. But if it became a standard tactic for alot of players to place them everywhere it would be damn pain. I cant seem to blow this damn boat up has anyone else got any opinions or ideas about this issue <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This sounds like a very gamey tactic bordering on cheating as it CLEARLY exploites a loophole or oppotunity in the game design to the extreme advatage of the player placing the assault boat(s) on land. And GUESS what? This one ONLY works for the Allies, thats sort of interesting. I think Steve and Charles should look into this one. -tom w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted October 3, 2000 Share Posted October 3, 2000 A few points: - Assault boats can not move at all, unless they are manned. - Assault boats are not indestructable, they wanish in thin air after recieving a sufficient beating. I found this out last night when I did a gunnery range after reading this thread. I wanted to see how small arms ammo consumption waried depending on range (i.e. how many weapons that fire). I set up a VG rifle platoon to shoot at three emptu assault boats (on grass), so that there would be no interfering return fire. - The closest boat was at about 90m, and it vanished after about 25 salvoes of SA fire from one squad. - The second boat was at 245m, took about 30 salvoes to remove. - The third boat was at almost 500m, and took some 40 salvoes before disappearing. This "battle" could not be played against the AI, and the only "order" available for the boats was "Line of sight". Hence assault boats make lousy scouts, since they're strictly stationary. They can give a fair warning in defence, and also even out the odds a bit. I'm not sure how good the boats are at spotting enemies themselves. Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted October 3, 2000 Share Posted October 3, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Commissar: I wish there would be motored Assault botes in future CM games (not CM2 obviously). The ones we have now are row boats, I'd like more of a carrier or a motorboat.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's it! Carriers! I knew there was something missing from CM. The Americans get the USS ESSEX and the British get the HMS ARK ROYAL. The Germans get...er, um...the KM GRAF VON ZEPPELIN (hypothetically). But seriously, the Soviets did use flotillas of armed riverboats on their larger rivers, and they sometimes did participate in battles. So maybe there is a call for them to be represented in CM2. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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