ntg84 Posted July 28, 2000 Share Posted July 28, 2000 I always envisioned the German LMG's as being 2 man, but not with an advanced tripod configurement. I thought the MG42 LMG was just a MG42 with a bipod on the end that only two people were needed to operate. I think of the MG42 HMG as one with a tribod and optics for sighting. Why isn't the LMG potrayed as a MG42 with bipod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heinz 25th PzReg Posted July 28, 2000 Share Posted July 28, 2000 Hi Actually you have both in the game. The Germans used the MG 42 in both HMG and LMG roles. HMG means that the MG was mounted on a tripod, while LMG means a two man bipod team. The HMG provided better accuracy and was also able to fire in a limited indirect role. The LMG was easier to handle and was used in two man teams. One gunner and one loader. As I said earlier, both versions are in the game. Regards, Heinz ------------------ "To subdue your enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War Visit my AAR site: http://andhess.home.online.no/cm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted July 28, 2000 Share Posted July 28, 2000 Do you mean about the graphic representation? Or something else. Actually, I'm also a bit puzzled 'bout the LMG. To be precise, I'm puzzled of it's inability to run. LMG operators can run while part of squad, so why not alone. No sarge yelling behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAR Posted July 28, 2000 Share Posted July 28, 2000 and why is there no modelling of the MG 34? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntg84 Posted July 29, 2000 Author Share Posted July 29, 2000 The graphic representation is what I was gettting at. Also the apperance of no MG34's are odd, seeing as though a bunch were still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ntg84: The graphic representation is what I was gettting at. Also the apperance of no MG34's are odd, seeing as though a bunch were still around.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'd guess BTS just didn't feel it was necessary to do own graphics for LMG instead of just using those of HGM. As for MG34, pretty much the same thing. No real need to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guachi Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 The MG34 was a second-line weapon and standardizing TO&E makes things MUCH MUCH easier. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:USERNAME: Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 I usually lose these guys in a hurry. Sometimes i just nook them away so they can give a final fire across a front and not recieve any back. Personally I think BTS should have modeled LMGs and BAZ and PSK as weapoons that would be "added on" to a squad. This way, other squad members could pick them up as they do now with the inherent LMG/BAR etc. Lewis Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by :USERNAME:: Personally I think BTS should have modeled LMGs and BAZ and PSK as weapoons that would be "added on" to a squad. This way, other squad members could pick them up as they do now with the inherent LMG/BAR etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> MG42s show up in at least 3 places, including as squad weapons that can get picked up: 1) MG42 HMG with a 6 man crew to support it. Lots of ammo, high ROF, good sights, can't run. 2) MG42 LMG with a 2 man team. Comes with ammo of about 30, can't run. iron sights? 3) MG42 Squad LMG. Same FP as the 2 man team LMG, but can run (ammo divided among more people? probably). If the MG gunner is hit there's a chance that it will get picked up by another squad member. Firepower: range 40 100 250 500 1000 m MG42 HMG 155 125 77 52 27 MG42 LMG 50 45 30 18 -- (the formatting doesn't want to space the numbers out, but you get the idea) [This message has been edited by chrisl (edited 07-29-2000).] [This message has been edited by chrisl (edited 07-29-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chrisl: MG42 Squad LMG. Same FP as the 2 man team LMG, but can run (ammo divided among more people? probably)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Could be it, but I wonder. How much is 30 ammo, if the other guy carries the gun and the other the ammo. Why can't they run? I think you could run with a 500 round ammopack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirage2k Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Could be it, but I wonder. How much is 30 ammo, if the other guy carries the gun and the other the ammo. Why can't they run? I think you could run with a 500 round ammopack.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This was covered a while back. Actually, I think it was in a well-remembered thread in which a father-son duo (or grandfather-son duo, I can't remember which) waltzed in and challenged BTS's historical accuracy. While I'm sure it was annoying for those participating in the thread, I sure got a kick out of just reading it. Or I could be remembering the wrong thread...hmm. -Andrew ------------------ Throw me a frickin' smiley, people! Your one-stop-shop for gaming news is www.SiegersPost.com ! Hit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mirage2k: in a well-remembered thread in which a father-son duo (or grandfather-son duo, I can't remember which) waltzed in and challenged BTS's historical accuracy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yep, I remember that. But don't actually see the point. It was shown then, why HMG can't run. (too much ammo). And that LMG as a part of a squad indeed can. What I'm wondering, is why LMG without a squad can't run. Am I missing something painfully obvious here. ------------------ -- Now, would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking slowly towards the enemy sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 They can't run because the German part of Nikes factories was bombed into rubble. just look at the earlier discussion Henk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>They can't run because the German part of Nikes factories was bombed into rubble<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, but the Germans still had the secret, underground Adidas factories Seriously, it does seem rather strange that an LMG team can't run when LMGs in squads CAN. In the squad, you have the same 2 guys, the gunner and his assistant, humping the gun, spare barrels, and most of the ammo. Sure, other guys in the squad could carry more ammo, but most of it has to be carried by the MG guys so it's where it's needed when the shooting starts, and the other guys have their own loads to hump. So maybe BTS will re-examine some team speeds. The LMGs and the 2" mortars in particular. ------------------ -Bullethead It was a common custom at that time, in the more romantic females, to see their soldier husbands and sweethearts as Greek heroes, instead of the whoremongering, drunken clowns most of them were. However, the Greek heroes were probably no better, so it was not so far off the mark--Flashman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdit Posted July 29, 2000 Share Posted July 29, 2000 Perhaps the non-squad LMG represents one with more ammunition and spare barrels. The lads in the squad might have a few belts round their necks, the separate unit might be carrying a lot more in boxes. Just a theory but, if I remember rightly, that's something like the approach taken by SL and ASL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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