Guest MantaRay Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 I was wondering whether anyone has beat the computer to where he has a score of 0. Closest I got was 19, and the best has been 84 for winning. Just curious. Wish those Shermans would stop damaging my Tigers gun from 1000m, I may have a better score. Thank God for my V-7 Stug, he usually gets 2 or 3 of them and makes it through. Last game on LD he got 31 infantry kills and 3 Hellcats. I love him man, but he cant have my Bud. And CE is so easy for Americans, I usually only lose 1 Sherman and get all of the Stugs before they become a factor. The Panzerfausts are much more dangerous than the Stugs IMHO. Ray ------------------ SWAT 3 Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Go to CMHQ and look in the AAR section as there is a game with a PERFECT score of 100 to 0...At least it used to be in there... Damn I got so much stuff in there now I cant remember whats where! Maybe I should roll out that Site Index Feature I have been working on?!? Madmatt p.s. ok I just checked, go into the AAR section, then the Chance Encounter area and look at Bil's AAR, pretty damn impressive! ------------------ If it's in Combat Mission, it's on Combat Mission HQ! combathq.thegamers.net [This message has been edited by Madmatt (edited 03-14-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Fox Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 People still play the AI? No offense to bill's opponent in that AAR but I would say he succeeded in doing everything wrong by the sound of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MantaRay Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Well Madmatt, I was talking about the computer, not PBEM. I think it would be harder to get a 100-0 score on the computer than a human, especially since the AI bugs out when it is getting hammered. I think Bills game was the exception not the rule. And I would play PBEM, but everyone I have inquired as to playing either has too many going or doesnt send me the turn back. And my friends dont play Wargames so I am stuck against the computer. Always find a game that way. Ray ------------------ SWAT 3 Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostro Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 In LastDefense 91-9 as Germans. Finished in turn 11. Salut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MantaRay Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Wow, good score. I will get there though. Ray ------------------ SWAT 3 Page Panzer Elite(not up) Combat Mission(comming soon)Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argie Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 I think was a 93 to 7 in Chance Encounter. I used to finish Last Defense by turn 10 with around 90-10. Obviously, against the AI. I used it to test tactics. Ariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heibis Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Not sure what the score was, but I've played one very interesting gave of LD against the AI. First I cut through his forces in town, killing his entire starting force and positioned my tanks for a showdown with his reinforcements. Turn 10 came, and guess what happened; he surrendered with his reinforcements barely on map! I was quite astounded about this, but realized that the AI cannot have known it was getting any... Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schuggerbaby Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Originally posted by Madmatt: Go to CMHQ and look in the AAR section as there is a game with a PERFECT score of 100 to 0...At least it used to be in there... When i read this AAR first, i thought it was a joke! Please tell me it is one.... Schuggerbaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>When i read this AAR first, i thought it was a joke! Please tell me it is one....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Seeing as I was there, I can assure you it is no joke. Bil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hunt52 Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 No, the perfect game is no joke Bil hosed me pretty good (understatement). - Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MantaRay Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Wow, Bil beat down Bill. Must have been that extra L that slowed ya down. Sounds as if it must be my style and that I am a butcher of my men. I usually go around 78 or so when I win, and the computer has around 25-35 left. Ray ------------------ SWAT 3 Page Panzer Elite(not up) Combat Mission(comming soon)Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hough Posted March 15, 2000 Share Posted March 15, 2000 Ah, all I managed was 98-2. CE, sent the shermans over the hill, around through the German deployment zone and back on fast, then let the computer attack my entrenched infantry with his, past my 5 shermans in support, then shelled the woods and took 'em. Of course, I tried the same tactic a second time, and the stugs happened to be pointed in the right direction... bam, 5-1 to the computer. -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 Personally I think there is way too much emphasis on points in CM. If you can accomplish your objective with minimal losses, or even with massive losses if the situation warrants; and if you can do this and keep your opponent from accomplishing his objectives, then you win. No matter what the score is. I have made a few scenarios in CM that you are supposed to lose, they are just to test tactics in a certain situation (i.e. withdrawing under fire, etc.) I just finished a PBEM game that ended up a draw (55-45), but I held on to all the objectives, and virtually destroyed his force. Of course my force was in pretty sad shape also, hence the draw, but I accomplished my mission, my opponent failed at his. Too me the point scores don't mean diddly. I was succesful, my opponent was not. That is success in my book. In the perfect game, I won by being careful and not trying anything risky. The standout thing about that game was not that I had a perfect score, but that I had ZERO casualties. That is how you should measure success, IMO. Bil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dano6 Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 Well I just whipped the computer with me playing as US in LD. Score 97 to 3, the jerries surrendered on turn 12. Hell my hellcats never even got the chance to to shoot up some German armor. Well I guess the AI forgot the "I" in that game. dano6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hough Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 Bil, aren't you arguing two contradictory things? You say success should be measured by how well you accomplised you objectives and how few casualties you took. But isn't that just what the score measures? How much damage you did to the opponent as well, I guess, but shouldn't that be counted as one of your vital objectives too? Thus, using your own argument, aren't points a valid indicator of your success? I agree, trying to get better and better scores in particular scenarios is kinda missing the point, but what do you expect? We only have these three scenarios... -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MantaRay Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 Well, the only thing I can bitch about is that your morale cannot go up. I mean if I go and kill all 3 Hellcats in LD, the US' morale will go down, but my forces do not get a boost by decreasing a serious threat. Maybe it is just my opinion. Ray ------------------ SWAT 3 Page Panzer Elite(not up) Combat Mission(comming soon)Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted March 16, 2000 Share Posted March 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I agree, trying to get better and better scores in particular scenarios is kinda missing the point...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Right. Exactly my point John. In this game the point scores are not always indicative of the results achieved. It is for this reason that I will probably never participate in a tourney where results are based on your score alone. When I finish a battle I look at whether my forces accomplished their mission, then I ask myself if they are in any shape to fight on the next day if needed. That is how I measure success. I guess it goes back to my military days. A 55 to 45 draw is fine, but if one side is totally wrecked as a fighting formation, and the other still has some teeth, then the second formation is in the superior position, and in an operation, would probably pursue and annihalate the retreating unit. If you play an Operation, or better, in the CMMC, then you better concentrate on mission accomplishment, rather than how many points you scored. Bil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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