Wittmann Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 I did a search, but felt this hasn't really addressed the problem. I'm playing asl KG Peiper-La Gleize. The scenario allows dug in tanks, and this was my first scenario that allowed this. What justification is there to allow tanks to be permenantly stuck in their dug out....they wouldn't dig a hole and drive over it till they dropped in, requiring a crane to get out! All the dug in tanks I have ever seen have a sort of wedge arrangement so the can be exited in a hurry. I feel this should be rectified, as it's a bit of a realism spoiler. I imagine it would be possible to do the ground work perfectly well with the scenario editor, but would the game give the tank the benefit if the dug in rules? Thanks in advance for your comments Wittmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest morjit Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Dug in tanks are meant to represent tanks that are out of fuel etc. And have no hope of getting fuel or repairs. So the tank and crew are used as a last ditch defense. You can make nice little ramps in the editor that give your tank hull down status and you can just back out. ------------------ Jason Combat Mission Canadian HQ cmhq.tzo.com/canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesreidau Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 What makes you assume that they are supposed to be out of fuel? Many situations arise where a fully bombed up tank will take up a defilade due to the tactical situation,and not as a last ditch. I'm aware of the scenario editor situation, but this does not clarify whether or not the CM engine will recognise it's status as 'dug in' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 'Dug In' tanks in CM are there to repersent vehciles that were basically turned into pillboxes. This became increasingly common pratice by the end of the war as spare parts become rarer and it became harder to repair vehicles. I have a photo somewhere of a Panther on a street corner in Berlin that had all of its road wheels and engine stripped, with a huge pile of spent shells sitting next to it. It looks like it took several hits, too. Ill see if I can dig it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samhain Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 I've seen pictures of cannibalized outdated tanks (basically just the turrets sticking out of the ground) used as part of the Normandy coastal defences. ------------------ I rode a tank, held a general's rank When the blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank. --Rolling Stones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciks Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 I've read somewhere that in the early days of Eastern Front, Russians used a tactic against German armour, where T34 were dug-in in a "foxhole" (i don't know a proper word) in front of some cover, with frontal armor facing backwards, so when the situation gets too hot, tank can escape easely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Wittmann has a point, tank "run up" positions should be allowed but probably should be purchased like othe engineer works (minefields, barbwire etc) as they take time and hvy equipment to execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 I thought "dug-in" literally means "dug-in" I.E. the hull of the tank is buried in the ground so that only the turret was visible. A permanent state, in that the tank can no longer move, but does make a considerably smaller target. Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Beman Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 I saw the topic and thought you guys were talking about me being in tanks. But I was mistook. DjB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Der Unbekannte Jäger Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Heres a question: If a dug in tank takes a hit and (possibly?) brews up, how does the crew get out? I am probably mistaken but don't alot of armor units have like rear escape hatches etc? ------------------ "The world is wide, and I will not waste my life in friction when it could be turned into momentum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Beman Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 No, almost all vehicles have crew hatches in the upper surfaces. Some have rear doors, but even a tank buried up to the superstructure has enough hatches for the crew to split the scene. DjB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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