Malmvig Posted August 5, 2000 Share Posted August 5, 2000 On Gamespot there is a discussion about govermental regulation. It seems that Canada and Indianapolis are taking some steps of regulations. I really think that we all had known this was coming. Violent games, like those were you are running people, or animals over with a truck only have the purpose of attracthing youngerst and their monny. If we gamers had managed to clearly make the statement that we do not tolerate this kind of nonsens and cleared up in our back yard, maybe governmental regulation would not had been necessary. Many gaming magazines had been on their guard for this raising problem and tried through statements to access their readers and get their oppoinion. Unfortunally without much success. It looks like the government meant buisiness this time and for that reason the gaming industry should be on guard to come up with some regulation themselfe or this might go crazy and getting out of control. If some movement against television games, or computer games get a stronghold we may end up playing LEGO. Their is a big risk that regulations will add to the amount of illegal copying and thereby reduce the profit on those games in discussion. It is not the first time that people with good intention force some laws that end up impacting unforseen areas. Where should the line be drawn? is CM violent? Would the cry of hurt crewmen be beeped away? Yours sincerely Henrik Malmvig Denmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *Captain Foobar* Posted August 5, 2000 Share Posted August 5, 2000 They can have my Combat Mission when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 Sure, they can regulate games the day they ban the sale of all toy guns, water pistols, GI Joe's, etc. In fact, the toys probably have even greater impact as the users are much younger. That is if you believe it any of this is anything more than total BS which I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grognerd_Fogman Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 Matter of fact, I don't think CM has enuff squishy sounds like when infantry get rolled over by a heavy AFV like in Starcraft... C'mon..more blood, more entrails, more squirt, more immersion pls... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboivin Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 I like Lego. What's wrong with lego? Re. toy guns, quite right, my wife and I don't let our 4-year old son play with toy guns, water pistols, you name it. Meanwhile a 4-year old down our street is playing Doom, and his mother said that one day she was driving to the grocery store and her son said: "When I grow up I want to kill people." SCARY STUFF She didn't do anything about it though, she looked embarrassed when she told us but she didn't delete the game from her son's PC. She is a single mother and doesn't want her ex-husband to become more popular with her son than she... what a mess. I for one hope they do regulate. Here in Canada they are forcing people to register all their guns, with the support of the police chiefs' association. Result: A lot of people who have guns are now angry people with guns. I don't like the idea of angry people owning guns... There is enough violence as it is, why add to the turmoil which is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirage2k Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I like Lego. What's wrong with lego?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I remember when I was a little tyke (which wasn't too long ago, actually) playing with legos. We had a bunch of them in big plastic boxes, and I would gather up all the people, weapons, horses, cannons, ships, and castle-like pieces I could and create fairly large battle scenes. I even had some "special" lego people with arms and/or legs ripped off to simulate casualties. It was actually kind of fun, as I didn't have a miniature set to play with. -Andrew ------------------ Throw me a frickin' smiley, people! Your one-stop-shop for gaming news is www.SiegersPost.com ! Hit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetardedKeydet Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 Governmental regulation of computer games or anything like that is so laughable because all it will result in is the government further alienating the law abiding hard working people in this country. In the case of the child who played too much doom and talking about wanting to kill people when he grows up I would sooner blame that on a broken home than on a computer game. I know my childhood wouldn't have been the same if I hadn't been able to shoot the garden hose at both my mom and dad! Well heh that's enough from me. ------------------ You may be whatever you resolve to be. "Stonewall" Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mortiis Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 I just have to make a comment on this one. Malmvig...clean up our own backyard?, if someone gets off on running over animals, people etc in a video game thats their own damned business, and its not the governments job to babysit your kid but your own, I mean who is buying these games for their kids but their parents who obviously arent bothering to try the games themselves to see if its suitable. Furthermore what are these parents trying to shelter their kids from, oh no tommy is going to see some violence in his game meanwhile tommy more than likely goes to school were if he mouths off to the wrong kid he may get his brains blown out, our kids witness violence everyday. And lets not forget alot of these groups would see cm as a morally repugnant game glorifying war and violence, a load of sh*t I know but that is exactely the type of mentality were dealing with. Now Im not saying lets go get soldiers of fortune for all our kids but the reality is if your kid wants to play these games, their going to find a way to wether you want it or not so wasting tax payers cash on something as silly as this is criminal in my book. Silly laws like this are the politicians way of avoiding blame for not taking the time or effort to look for the root of the problem and instead would rather say look what I did this term I introduced this dumb ass law that is nothing more than pr and will do nothing for the public. Look at it this way does playing cm make you want to go out and start your own nazi regime, of course not but ignorant holier than thou asswipes would think something as ludicrous as that. I've played every contraversial game out there and never ever felt like going on a killing spree after a few games of grand theft auto, or postal or whatever. Anyone who would is obviously messed up enough that they would only find some other spark to set them off, wether it be a boss, wife whatever. Dont mean to be so harsh but this type of nonesense really gets under my skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 What is the purpose of Government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamp Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 Malmvig, see, we don't care, after all the government is still we the people, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamp Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 hey Malmvig and Mortiis, how do we combat the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obergefreiter Porta Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: What is the purpose of Government?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Now there's a question with a lot of answers... [This message has been edited by Obergefreiter Porta (edited 08-06-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 What erks me is people always blame quake and doom. Damn't those games a getting to be almost a decade old. Who can honestly say they still are an avid doom player? In 20 years they'll be blaming quake 3. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 6, 2000 Share Posted August 6, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ash: What erks me is people always blame quake and doom. Damn't those games a getting to be almost a decade old. Who can honestly say they still are an avid doom player? In 20 years they'll be blaming quake 3. Sheesh.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Errhh... I still play Wolfenstein 3D occasionally. I like the atmosphere, and it's more slow-paced and tactical than Doom so the graphics don't matter. And it's always more fun to kill national socialists. If this game makes me violent towards any neo-Nazis, I don't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malmvig Posted August 7, 2000 Author Share Posted August 7, 2000 Originally posted by Mortiis: I just have to make a comment on this one. Malmvig...clean up our own backyard....Dont mean to be so harsh but this type of nonesense really gets under my skin Hold on a secound Mortiis before you bite off my head. Don't you agree that it would be devasting to our interests if someone over reacted and applied the same yardstick on every game? Prohibit War Games as an example? I know this sound stupid however - in my Country, Govermental regulation is a daily buisiness. You never know were they strikes next. Nonesense ..? not really - It's a fact that some Goverments already had effectuated regulations in this area. I think however that nonsens would be, for the gaming industry, to not listen to this warning. Someone is just saying that 'If you do not clear your own back yard somebody else will' Henrik Malmvig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Posted August 7, 2000 Share Posted August 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: What is the purpose of Government?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The purpose of government is to make laws to govern human interaction. ------------------ Work is the curse of the drinking class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GI Tom Posted August 7, 2000 Share Posted August 7, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: What is the purpose of Government?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> To solely ensure that BTS is lawfully within it's rights to have a monopoly on Combat Mission so it doesn't change, and satisfies us CM players. All laws are based around the maintenance of Combat Mission. Yes, even the Government now has been assimilated by the CM Borg. GI Tom ------------------ To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of wierd sandwich. [This message has been edited by GI Tom (edited 08-07-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMHPaladin Posted August 7, 2000 Share Posted August 7, 2000 I disagree with a lot of governmental regulation. I feel that there is a place for government intervention, but computer games aren't it. Furthermore, how can you say that computer games should be restricted while violent movies are given a "rating" and released regardless? I would have no problem if games like "Quake 3" were given an "R" rating and sales restricted to those over 17, but I would have a problem if the government said that games were too violent and restricted them while leaving violent media like movies alone.... but that's just my two cents. ------------------ KMHPaladin KHarkins@voicenet.com "We have the enemy surrounded. We are dug in and have overwhelming numbers. But enemy airpower is mauling us badly. We will have to withdraw." -- Japanese infantry commander, SITREP, Burma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasilD Posted August 7, 2000 Share Posted August 7, 2000 Humm loaded issue for certain IMO the problem lies less in these 'bad influences' that are prevalent and inescapable in modern society, and more in that, given the realities of modern socio-economics that the individual parents have less time and energy to spend with their kids. Whether its television/ video games/ gangs/ drugs whatever, these are just symptoms of the fact that, relative to earlier times, the majority of parents both work. When the parents get home from work they are likely tired, and its simply easier to let the children watch TV/play quake III/ etc. etc. Governmental regulations aren't going to change this root issue. A much better solution is to spend money on community centers where children can be involved in sports/education/scouting or any number of more 'productive' activities. And as a side note I don't think exposure to violence is by definition bad, its the glorification/idealization thereof that is what is harmful. I think that if the individuals that think killing/warfare etc. truly understood the grim realities of such, like watching your closest friends obliterated by heavy artillery, they would be strongly AGAINST renewing the follies of our past such as WWII. ------------------ As the victors define history, so does the majority define sanity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted August 7, 2000 Share Posted August 7, 2000 The reason I asked that question was because it is the route of the problem. Why do we have governments anyway? Once we figure that out, then it's simply a matter of deduction whether this kind of regulation is substantiated or not. There are many different answeres to the question of the nature Government, but only one correct one. Social science is still science, despite the Kantian dualism that dominates today's culture. During man's cave-period, people would form groups in order to survive. They didn't know it then, but what they were forming was a government. Government is an agency of force, designed to protect the rights of its citizens and hence ensure their prosperity and survival. It ensures that each individual will benefit from being part of the society, and that being in a society does not mean being enslaved or abused – for whatever purpose. Citizens relegate their right to self-defence to the government in the interest of order and restraint. Societies without government become anarchic barbarisms, adhering only to the laws of the jungle. People then become forced to form into groups for protection against criminals and the whole process of starting a government begins that way. It was thus discovered by John Locke that government should have a legal monopoly on force. This force is granted by permission only of it’s citizens and is revocable by the citizens at any time. Because government has a virtual monopoly on force, it is essential that as an agency it is bound by objectively defined principles based on the protection of individual rights (humanities requirements of survival). It is only in this absence of objective rights that all men become threats to one another’s survival, and only then is one man's gain another man's loss. It is in this absence that social interaction becomes a vice. Government exists, and always has existed to prevent this. It was not until relatively recently that rights were viewed as absolute inalienable requirements of man's coexistence. The Founding Fathers of the United States were among the first to identify the nature and needs of a free society. They were the first to find a means to translate these needs into practice -- A complex legal system based on objectively valid principles. The Declaration of Independence recognized that men require certain unalienable rights in order to live. While the Founding Fathers did believe that man was a creation of God, they recognized man's rational nature and his relationship with reality. This, not God, was the basis of constitutional rights in the United States. It was these discoveries that made America the greatest country in the World. It was these discoveries that gave rise to the enormous living standards and immense wealth that ensued. It was these discoveries that brought this undeveloped continent to the forefront of discovery and technology. It was these discoveries that put a man on the moon. Humans may contort the role of Government to do their bidding, but it is not right. There is only one objective purpose of government. The Nazi system was certainly a type of "government", but it was incorrect. In judging any government that does not protect the rights of it's citizens and make trade the basis of social interaction, the verdict must be: failure. [This message has been edited by Pillar (edited 08-07-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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