Echo Posted April 19, 2000 Share Posted April 19, 2000 Think about that. Ala Fighting Steel, but much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ol' Blood & Guts Posted April 19, 2000 Share Posted April 19, 2000 Sounds cool. Are you talking about doing amphibious landings too? This would be something to incorporate into a PTO version of CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mch Posted April 19, 2000 Share Posted April 19, 2000 Ah,come on..... all the REAL naval battles took place in WWI would be fun,though....... P.S.:any old "jutland" players out there? (I remember that game being a real problem with the folks....NEVER use the kitchen floor for a game!) P.S.perhaps new thread material:"wich wargames got you into the most trouble as a lad/lass?"a review of the potential "to bed/without supper-ness of wargames" ------------------ It is no disgrace to be defeated...It is a disgrace to be surprised. -attr.to Fredrick the Great- [This message has been edited by mch (edited 04-19-2000).] [This message has been edited by mch (edited 04-19-2000).] [This message has been edited by mch (edited 04-19-2000).] [This message has been edited by mch (edited 04-19-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 The best wargame of tactical gunnery battles WWI/WWII is Action Stations from Raw Entertainment. Fabulous realism and historical accuracy but hideous graphics (cga, ega at best) and no sound at all (not even PC speaker!). I would love to have a newer version with vga and sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 Lee I agree 1000%!!!! I loved Action Stations and would LOVE to see that classic revitalzied today.. The options available to the player in that were incredible! Counterflooding, starshells, listing, ammo magaizine explosions, damage control parties the list goes on and on!!! Even the manual was well done!! Madmatt ------------------ If it's in Combat Mission, it's on Combat Mission HQ! combathq.thegamers.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 Hey, an Action Stations fan! Cool. Then you know what I'm talking about. Action Stations is the CM of naval gunnery warfare. I sooo hope they do a new version of it. All it will take is enough bucks to pay the navy officer that designed/programmed it to get to work on the sequel. He was already working on the sequel, called Fleet Commander, but there wasn't the funding to finish the project (the publisher is a really cool guy but he was desperately short on cash). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 Actually, I thought Fighing Steel was quite good and a lot of fun. You should have seen the amount of data and nitpicking that was flying around between the beta testers. The problems were brought in by the marketing crowds. For example, the design team wanted a good campaign system, but the game had to be shipped out the door yesterday, so it didn't happen. Then the game was shipped before any of the problems found by beta-testers could be recognised. This game was an outstanding example of corporate mis-management, but even at that, when using the scenario editor to build just what you wanted to do, I can't think of how I would like the game to be better implemented. NTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 While I think of it, has anyone seen ShipBase? No graphics at all (It was a text-driven computer-mediated boardgame) but an outstanding fast mechanism for battles. NTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted April 20, 2000 Author Share Posted April 20, 2000 Think about the amount of tracer fire coming from 1 Heavy Cruiser, with each gun turret (with its armor values) modeled, smaller caliber weapons like .50s, 40mm Bofors AA guns (with the crews manning them visible on the deck(ie AT guns in CM)), 5" and 8" secondary guns midship....splitting shell shrapnel wiping out crew men on deck. Armor and penetration values modeled through the length of the ship just like a tank. By the way, the game that got me in the most trouble was Third Reich. After 3 days on the kitchen table (right in the middle of my opening moves for barbarosa) my old man hurled it into the other room. Incidently, I never did recover all the MIA Whermacht from the catastrophe. ------------------ As I walk through the Valley of Death, I will fear no one, for I am the meanest mother*#*#** in the valley. (George S. Patton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodwood Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 Yup, I was an Action Station fan, first played it on an Amiga,so slow. It was the first game I bought for my PC the second was Harpoon. My wife still has nightmares about the incoming sound in that game. Goodwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobVarak Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 Anyone remember "Dreadnaughts"? I think it was an early SSI game. Virtually no graphics at all, but it was a blast on the ol' C64! ------------------ Rob Varak Editor Site on Sound: The Web's Premier Site For Musical Discussion www.siteonsound.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick614 Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 Rob Dreadnaughts. I still have it just can't play it anymore. And it had nothing to do with Dreadnaughts, mostly hunting the Bismark. Yes it was an SSI game, when they made good ones. Played it on my Apple IIe. I have wanted to make the same suggestion about a naval game using the CM engine for a long time but was afraid of being flamed. I was going to suggest that Steve and Charles work on it in their spare time. (Ha Ha) Action stations I played on my Tandy TL1000. Romping stomping 8 Mgz of TNT. I waited so long for Fighting Steel to come out and was disappointed with it. I really got more feeling of action with Dreadnaughts. When you say it had very little graphics you are making an overstatement. I was not impressed by the graphics in Fighting Steel. I didn't really expect any in Dreadnaughts but I did in FS. Really, I think the surface engagements fought between the US and IJN in 42 and 43 were a tremendous struggle during a time when so to speak the "outcome was still in doubt." Even in 44 how you like to have Oldendorf's old BB's some of which had come of the mud of Pearl Harbor crossing the T of Kurita's Southern Force trying to enter the Surigao Strait. I read an account on one of the Brooklyn class Cl's that when they were locked onto a target they would fire all the main guns independently instead of in salvo. It said with 15 6" guns firing at night it looked like a steady stream of fire coming from them. In the Atlantic we could chase the Bismark or worry about those beautiful bad German battlecruisers. No terrain to worry about, not a whole bunch of small units to model. It would be great. Naval Combat Mission. Yes At point blank range we would expect to see those 20 and 40 going too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Party Posted April 20, 2000 Share Posted April 20, 2000 The "Dreadnoughts" game I remember was almost exclusively WWI fleet actions and included Dogger Bank, Coronel, Falklands and of course Jutland. It was developed by Peter Turcan and had a nice system for controlling squadrons of battleships etc., I used to play it a lot and really liked it. You can download it for free from the Underdogs website http://underdogs.gamingdepot.com/ Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Arabian Posted April 22, 2000 Share Posted April 22, 2000 NP - Did you ever see any of the other games Dr. Turcan put out? I recall having seen a list in the manual but never got around to picking any of them up. Dreadnaughts was a great game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick614 Posted April 23, 2000 Share Posted April 23, 2000 That game I was thinking of was called Dreadnoughts (with an O) but it was from Avalon Hill. On the box it says WWII naval action in the North Atlantic. Go figure. You could set up some ship vs ship battles but the main part of it was the hunt for the Bismark using the actual ships involved. You commanded the Bismark and could choose your break out route. Darn those pesky PBY's. No graphics. I played it a few hundred times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Posted April 24, 2000 Share Posted April 24, 2000 Ah yes! Naval wargaming, I used to love the 1:1200 scale waterline models. I spent many a happy hour with my friends setting up, and playing huge fleet engagements on the driveway, and garage floor (the only places we had that were big enough). Of course we also played all the Avalon Hill naval board games, I've also done most of the computer naval games as well. But none of that would compare to the fun of a Combat Mission type of naval wargame. Start with The Spanish-American war, then the Russo-Japanese war, then on to WWI, etc. I'd gladly pay top dollar for something along those lines! ------------------ Darryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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