KiwiJoe Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Now that I've played the several games from both sides I feel I can make a real descision on which side I prefer. Answer is: Allies. Reasons: A lot of decent med tanks with fast turrents, high HE ammo load, high rof, multiple mg's, good speed. Tungsten rounds - turn the average 76mm into a long range death machine. .50 cal - in all its forms I luv this weapon. The T8 scout car. 1 of my fav units - small, cheap, fast, and of course it has a .50 cal British platoons that almost never break and come with a 2 inch mortor and PIAT team. They won the war Just woundering what others thoughts are now they have played the game a fair bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Babra Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Same answer for all the same reasons plus: Flame tanks with a 75mm main armament. The thrill of hunting the big cats. ------------------ It's a mother-beautiful bridge and it's gonna be THERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rommel22 Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Well, playing for the Germans is more of a challange. I have never played as the allies in this game. My favorite German weapon, the Hetzer. The way those rounds bounce of that thing is amazing. I had a situation where 4 shermans were firing at one Hetzer about 400 meters away. most of their shots were on target, but all bounced of or shattered. The hetzer comly took out one sherman after another. The last sherman charged the hetzer it came within 150 meters where the hetzer finished it off. For me Hetzer is the weapon of choice if you have low points or even a lot of points. It's a amazing weapon. ------------------ Russian tactics as said by von Mellenthin "Bridge heads everywhere" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiJoe Posted July 30, 2000 Author Share Posted July 30, 2000 I dont have much problem taking out hetzers. Their slow rate of fire and no turrent is a major draw back. The only time they are tough is at range in a defensive position front on. Even then a tungsten round or 2 with finish them quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Rommel22 wrote: > The hetzer comly took out one sherman after another. The last sherman charged the hetzer it came within 150 meters where the hetzer finished it off. Have YOU been eating YOUR Weetabix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Brizee Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Axis is a lot more fun. You are usually against pretty tough odds. Outnumbered heavily, often outclassed, Allies have TONS of arty and vehicles. Plus German weapons are great. Schrecks, Big Cats, MG42, etc It seems that a lot of the Allied scenarios are much easier than the German ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Weaver Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 I play the Allies, and the Americans especially, to the point where it becomes a fault. Including the Beta and Gold Demos, I've played a total of three games of CM from the German side. It's not very grognardish of me, but I don't feel right leading them in battle. I feel like I'm fighting for the wrong side. I'd probably be a better player if I switched sides every once in a while. What do I like most about the Americans? Their resilience, their big squads, and their high explosive. And of course they're my home team. When I use them, I feel like I'm hanging out with old friends. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscano Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 I'm with Dan. I play mostly as the Americans. I also like playing as the British Paras in Market-Garden scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 I think the US forces are the best and most balanced in the game actually. Their light tanks and recon units are far superior to anything the Germans bring to the party ( Luchs and Psw 234/2 included)... A Sherman Jumbo 76 is superior to the Panther and Tiger ( especially once it gets Tungsten).... In tests I've had 8 Sherman Jumbo 76s at 800 metres absolutely slaughter 8 Panthers ( using Tungsten of course). Hell generally they only lose 1 Jumbo to 8 destroyed Panthers. The 0.5cal is an awesome weapon. It isn't quite as good vs infantry as the MG42 BUT its ability to knock out recon vehicles etc is amazing. The massive amount of ammo of the FOs and the cheapness of airstrikes as well as the larger squads all add to the US superiority IMO. The ONLY things the Germans have over the Americans are the King Tiger, Jagdtiger, Jagdpanther and Jagdpanzer IV. However those beasts are enormously expensive and your Allied opponent can simply purchase an M36 or Pershing or a couple of Sherman Jumbos and finsih them off. The US is the great "starting" nation for players in CM since it has so many advantages. The British are a little poorer for newbies to begin with but the 17 pounders give them more AT punch. The Germans, IMO, are the weapons of an artiste. Finely distinguished squads, vehicles etc allow a German player to pick units which are specialised in particular types of actions and thus a bad German player is more likely to be exposed than a bad Allied player while a good german player can eke out every iota of advantage and gain much more from German units than a US player can gain from his forces. For the Germans a mistake is usually disastrous BUT German forces also allow one to have more devastating ambushes and varied tactics than US forces IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Babra Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Fionn, was the Jumbo so common that one would realistically see eight of them in the same place at the same time? I was under the impression they were rarer than fireflies. ------------------ It's a mother-beautiful bridge and it's gonna be THERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Weaver Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Would you please send me your tankers, Fionn? ( at my tungsten-fearing dorks) Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 I play both sides all the time. If I'm leading the British then I lead with really solid infantry backed up by thick skinned Churchills and the awesome punch of the 17 pounder. I once had a pair of Fireflys chalk up 3 Mark IVs and 3 Stugs in 2 turns from 850 meters!! If i'm leading the Americans it is the Best artillery capability built around infantry squads packing huge firepower. The Sherman 76mm Jumbo is a tough tank. Throw in some 90mm M36's and watch the soldaten run for the rear. The Germans have those awesome MG42's with all that ammo and the tough paras too. Last but not least the Armor. What can I tell you I love this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 I think Jumbo's were rare. Plus I have read in all my history books very little about the Allies use of tungsten rounds. If tungsten was so plentifull and was so deadly why would the US tankers be crying for bigger and better tanks during the war. I believe the tungsten rounds fall into the same category as gyrostabilizers. It was easier to included them for all tanks then to have some random variable at the start of each scenario to determine who had what rounds or gyros. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rommel22 Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 No I eat pizza and any other food. No magic mushrooms or crap. Like you said, if you have a hetzer in a good position, the hetzer will wreak havoc. The Shermans shot at the hetzer at least dozen or more times without taking it out. I lost 2 out of 3 hetzers, but by arty, all said top hull peneration. The other was taken out by infantry. I guess it depends on the way you postion the hetzer. Playing for the Germans posses the biggest challange like most say. I have never played for the Allies, never. But from hat I hear is' very easy. I want a challange, not 10 tanks against one. Thats no fun. I like being outnumbered and inflicting double or tripple the casulties with half the force the allies have. Thats what keeps me going, if I win a scenerio with 10 tanks and a battalion of troops against 2 tanks and 3 plattons of infantry. That is effortless. There might be some challenging Allied scenrios, but haven't seen one yet. Also playing for the Germans, makes develop your own tactics and be creative since you are outnumber most of the time. If outnumbered and knowing most scenrios Germans are outnumber I put Armor in the rear of my lines. Never in front, I always use armor as counter-attack. So I let the inntry take the full force. I leave comabt out-post consisting of one squad split at certain point on the field. My main line than lays further back with armor hidden until neccesary to bring to bear. If german equipemnt used properly than it works great and get the job done. ------------------ Russian tactics as said by von Mellenthin "Bridge heads everywhere" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiJoe Posted July 30, 2000 Author Share Posted July 30, 2000 I was talking about PBEM quick battles only. My fault, I should have stated that. I have only played 1 game agianst the computer AI. Like all other games, its just no challange and I doubt I'll eva use it for anything but testing purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gezeder Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 rommel, you should give allies a go - they're not as effortless as you think. numbers aren't 10-1, hell, i'd be surprised at much more than 3-2 most of the time... (in, say, a meeting engagement) i've found using any forces can be a challange, assuming you're playing a worthy oppenent (in my case, a worthy oppenent consisting of the AI on a good day!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 You should atleast try the allies Rommel,if you can't develope good tactics with them,then how could you defeat them? Just cause you can't win with them doesn't mean your oponent can't. Try them and learn from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Well, 254 Jumbos were made... Compare this to King Tigers ( 480something). End result, Jumbos should be TWICE as rare as KTs. Jumbo 76s should be roughly 4 times as rare as KTs. OTOH I'm becoming used to every PBEM opponent purchasing a few Jumbo 76s. My record so far is facing 9 of them in one PBEM.... Hell, JUmbo 76s rip through my Panthers with Tungsten rounds while my Panthers can't even hurt them.. Thus I have taken to buying a KT in scenarios where my opponent is going to be buying Sherman Jumbos. It is the only way to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiJoe Posted July 30, 2000 Author Share Posted July 30, 2000 Yeah the 76 Jumbo is prolly my fav tank in the game. Only thing is u take the risk of getting no/few tungsten rounds, then you are in trouble if your facing the heavy german stuff. For looks/style I like the JagdPanther though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 I like both Germans have all those semi-invulnerable-from-front tank destroyers, SMG squads, armored cars with 75mm. Allies have lot's of lovely HE in the shermans, and rotating turrets in tank destroyers. Good rifle squads for longer range fights. And the cars are so very excellent! Daimler is my all time favourite. ------------------ Now, would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking slowly towards the enemy sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCHEN PEIPER Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Is there a German flammenpanzer??? Or maybe a flame-halftrack...??? I was just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Babra Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Flammpanzer 38(t) is included as well as a halftracked flamethrower, but they don't compare to the Crocodiles. ------------------ It's a mother-beautiful bridge and it's gonna be THERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fionn Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Ah I believe Chris is telling is that the question isn't so much what side you want but whether or not you want to be in the Cav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCHEN PEIPER Posted July 30, 2000 Share Posted July 30, 2000 Aren't the Crocodiles towed fuel trailers a bit vulnerable,,, or are they hard to hit??? By the way "BLACKHORSE" how do you post pictures in here??? ------------------ Quote. If you see a white plane it's American, if you see a black plane it's the RAF. If you see no planes at all it's the Luftwaffe." ---German soldier on the Western Front, 1944. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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