Historical Orders of Battle

[patboivin]

Where can I find, on the 'net, Orders of Battles for ww-II?

Specifically a friend and I are thinking of doing a few Operation Market Garden scenarios.

I looked at the Close Combat II scenarios but they look very simplified to me: 2 panthers here, 5 panthers there, 1 80mm mortar for the Allies... I can't believe Operation Market Garden was fought with a handful of units on each side, this is ridiculous.

I went to some sites last night but many links lead nowhere and others were too vague.

Thanks.

[krm]

Couple of sites that might help you, though not specifically aimed at Market Garden are:

http://home.swipnet.se/normandy/index.html

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/7-8/7-8_CONT.HTM

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/eto-ob/etoob-toc.htm

Hope they help

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[Guest MantaRay]

Here are a few sites

http://home.swipnet.se/normandy/gerob/gerob.html

http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~dreinbol/orders44.html

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/eto-ob/1ID-eto-ob.htm

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/100-11/100-11.HTM

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[guachi]

The swipnet site is a great example of just how varied German unit composition can be.

Very detailed site.

Jason

[James Bailey]

Pat,

What Arnheim scenarios are you doing? Just curious because I have some very good info that might help you...

In hard copy only, so if you let me know what you are planning, I will let you know if I can help. Reply in this thread or to my email address: jbailey@resolutecapital.com

[Mikester]

Another good website that I recently found is called curiously enough:

www.marketgarden.com

Imagine that. The battle actually has its own website. I believe it's run by a guy that is over in the Netherlands and he seems to have a lot of good info on his site. This is quite a large website and I havn't had time to look through it all yet. I believe I saw some OOB type info in there though that gave info on German Kampfgruppe's that participated in the battle as well as English paratroop units. The American units didn't seem to be in there, but maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place.

Mikester out.

PS: Go to the statistics button on the menu on the left of the main webpage when you get to it to access the OOB and other related info. Looks like they have info on the British, Polish, and German formations that fought in the battle.

Also, the library button takes you to a nice listing of recommended books on the battle. The most recent one on there that I've read is It Never Snows in September. It's written by an English author who did a fair amount of research and interviews w/ German personnel that actually fought in the battle. The entire book is written from the German perspective on the battle which is quite enlightening after having been bludgeoned over the head w/ the typical Anglo-American accounts of the operations that most of us have read. Very highly recommended.

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[Keith]

The must-have book for the operation is titled "It Never Snows in September" available through amazon.com at the following URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1885119313/o/qid=960567681/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/002-2670277-3933614

This book is the most thoroughly researched book on the topic that I have read and covers in detail the German perspective on the battle. The book also has some excellent color maps.

Another good source is the Cornelius Ryan's book "A Bridge Too Far". Also the U.S. Army Center of Military History book "The Siegfried Line Campaign", which you can order through the government printing office (GPO.gov). In the CMH publication you get outstanding topigraphical maps and ariel photos of the terrain.