Lordfluffers Posted November 2, 2000 Share Posted November 2, 2000 Is it me or can the AI become a bit bumbling?? I say this 'cos I've been playing CM a little too much recently and have noticed some incredible displays of incompetancy on the AI's part. Sometimes it's so bad that in hopelessly outnumbered situations I find I can win relatively easily. Here's just two examples... Playing the Germans in one instance I expected to be pushed back easily early on. Instead the Yanks rolled their armour down the road unsupported and lost 4 tanks and a recon car in return for one pz-schreick and HMG team. After this the game turned into a dull battle of attrition for the next 8 rounds of 40 turns, whereby the Americans kept sending their troops down the same avenues of attack into my reinforced strong points. It became so predictable that I ended up ignoring huge areas of the map because I knew the AI would not think to flank or infiltrate through these areas. The operation was made even more depressing by the fact that the AI sent its AV's one way and allowed its infantry to attack the bulwarts of my defense without armour support. Needless to say I spent most of the time shooting down suicidal infantry. The final debrief showed US casualties as something like 1100 casulties plus 30+ vehicles destroyed, plus 50 plus captured compared to just 200 casulties and 12 vehicles destroyed on my side. I've just fininished playing another operation ). The scenario is based on the collapse of the Western Front. With 1 security company, 1 puma, and 2 20mm armed Pumas, I destroyed the entire initial recon's armour of 2 Chaffees, 3 M8 Greyhounds and numerous Half Tracks and other vehicles. Again tanks and infantry seemed to operate completly independently to each other. Later on, one tank tried to cross a bridge without any infantry support or firing cover and got toasted by my ambush halfway across. Then, a Sherman 75w+ attempted to slog it out with the King Tiger I'd received. The results were predictable. Also, it's interesting to note that the AI does not area target the buildings I blatantly have support teams suppresing their troops with etc. One other thing, in long range tank battles, I've noticed that if my tank happens to be Hull Down, for example, just below the crest of a hill, the enemy tank its targetting also comes up Hull Down regardless of whether it happens to be completely exposed or not! I'm pretty sure I'm not the best commander in the world so.. What is going on??? ------------------ What signal? I see no signal! Horatio Nelson Battle of Cape St. Vincent (1796) [This message has been edited by Lordfluffers (edited 11-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted November 2, 2000 Share Posted November 2, 2000 Well, there's a reason people play PBEM games... The CM AI is the best wargame AI I've seen, but that doesn't make it smart. It's going to do stupid things, and it's never going to make brilliant tactical or strategic decisions. That said, I've been beaten by the AI once in a while, and I've been surprised by how good some of the choices it makes are. For instance, I've seen the AI shift its axis of attack when it became obvious its advance wasn't working. The AI is excellent, but it ain't smart. ------------------ Grand Poobah of the fresh fire of Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Bates Posted November 2, 2000 Share Posted November 2, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>One other thing, in long range tank battles, I've noticed that if my tank happens to be Hull Down, for example, just below the crest of a hill, the enemy tank its targetting also comes up Hull Down <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's a known bug. As to the rest of your message, it seems that most people find the Computer to be poor on the offensive, but much better on the defensive. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted November 2, 2000 Share Posted November 2, 2000 Just some friendly advice. Next time add a spoiler warning to your post when you want to discuss specifics about a scenario. It preserves the FOW to those that haven't played them yet. As to the AI's performance, it's understood that the AI handles defense much better than attack. Your best bet is PBEM or hotseat against a human. ------------------ ...This is Romeo-Foxtrot, shall we dance?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordfluffers Posted November 2, 2000 Author Share Posted November 2, 2000 To add to my point, I just remembered, Playing another campaign, one of my Stuarts came across a King Tiger. I ordered it to move back and forth, in view of the KT, but behind some scattered trees. I managed to get two Shermans into position to target the KT, and for three turns they kept trying to knock its turret off (it was Hull Down). eventually they succeeded but stupidly, the KT never turned to face the new, greater threat, choosing to shoot at the little Stuart stil dodging around 600 metres to the West. Finally, on a yet another operation, I discovered the AI's entire AT guns on a slope, but too far down it to actually target anything on the road. I overran the battery, including the lethal 88mm AT, with my infantry, destroying three AT guns and an AA gun. At a loss for no vehicles of my own. What is up with the AI?? [This message has been edited by Lordfluffers (edited 11-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordfluffers Posted November 2, 2000 Author Share Posted November 2, 2000 Im not being scenario specific. I'm tryign to make a general point about the AI. By the way I haven't the patience to PBEM I would like to but I don't think I'd finding waiting ages for a reply rewarding. Just personal preference. I'm going to have to wait for the new patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordfluffers Posted November 2, 2000 Author Share Posted November 2, 2000 Thanks Bates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted November 2, 2000 Share Posted November 2, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lordfluffers: Im not being scenario specific. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Sorry my friend, but you are. You have made mention of specific units in certain scenarios. Anyone that hasn't played those scenarios (myself included) can now expect to come across those units. [This message has been edited by Kingfish (edited 11-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Posted November 2, 2000 Share Posted November 2, 2000 Lordfluffers, The AI will never surpass the level of a decent human. Once you pass that level youself, your only options are to either give the AI some advantage or to play humans. The next time you pose a question, please avoid ANY information that might give something away to a player that has not played that specific scenario. The surprise element in "The las reich" scenario is pretty much wasted after reading your initial post. ------------------ Sten Keep your whisky on the rocks and your tanks on the roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordfluffers Posted November 2, 2000 Author Share Posted November 2, 2000 The next time you pose a question, please avoid ANY information that might give something away to a player that has not played that specific scenario. The surprise element in "The las reich" scenario is pretty much wasted after reading your initial post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted November 2, 2000 Share Posted November 2, 2000 Lordfluffers, No big deal, but you need to take care of your initial post or else others will have their scenarios spoiled. Go back and edit your first post and add a spoiler warning. Here is an example: ****SPOILER**** * * * * * * Put this just above the first sentence. It should be sufficient warnings to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordfluffers Posted November 3, 2000 Author Share Posted November 3, 2000 Thanks Kingfish, I didnt do the spoiler bit but I removed any specific info. I hope thats right. PS how do you put things in Italics or Bold them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 That works As for Bold and Italic words, the next time you are typing a post look to your left where it says "UBB code is on" (just above smilies legend). Click on that and it will explain it all for you. ------------------ ...This is Romeo-Foxtrot, shall we dance?... [This message has been edited by Kingfish (edited 11-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmac@work Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 Hi Lordfluffers, and welcome... You said: "By the way I haven't the patience to PBEM I would like to but I don't think I'd finding waiting ages for a reply rewarding. Just personal preference." If you haven't tried it, how do you know? I find the CM community to be very self-conscious about getting moves back and forth. We're all pretty much ate up with this game, and I hope the rest of you don't mind me speaking for "us"... I'm playing against about a dozen foes now, and I don't have to wait for any of them to reply. There is always at least one turn per person waiting for my attention. On any normal day, we may get two or three turns in. I cannot offer a higher recommendation than to at least give PBEM a try. It's all I can do to sit down and get all my moves out without the new message sound chiming on my speakers while I'm plotting moves... My point being (there is one, afterall) that I used to play the AI a LOT! Can't say as I have in the last couple of weeks... too busy responding to moves. The folks on this board are a great bunch. To give it a try, just make one request post, you'll have more game offers than you'll know what to do with, and you'll never again make a post to this board talking about the move your stupid opponents made (unless you play me, that is...) Good luck, and most importantly, ENJOY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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