billcarey Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 I understand the decrapification of firepower when squads are split, and the morale loss because #s 7-12 aren't there to get shot at instead of you, but is there a bigger morale penalty for the half-squad that gets the dinkier officer? I would think 5 guys and a corporal would run away faster than 5 guys and a sargeant. Never having been shot at in either situation I don't know. Are half squads treated equally, or is there a "better" half? Just rambling until the Gold Demo comes out... - Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 When you split squads, the computer will try to make them as even as possible, spreading available weapons and ammo equally. However, it depends on the available weapons how equal the teams will be. If you have, for example, one LMG in your squad, the half that gets it will be the stronger one most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcarey Posted January 28, 2000 Author Share Posted January 28, 2000 Right, I got that. What I am asking is does the squad that gets the higher ranking officer perform differently that the other squad (weapons nonwithstanding) - Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Beman Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 Damn good question. I don't generally split squads, as that just makes giving orders take that much longer. DjB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard III Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 'decrapification' Say, this forum is a vocabulary builder, too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcarey Posted January 28, 2000 Author Share Posted January 28, 2000 Decrapification (n) (1) The quality of being decrapified. (2) A reduction in effectiveness so as to ensure crappiness in a military unit. (3) The antonym of "recrapification" (4) A gratuitous excuse by which "crap" can be included in a post to the CM discussion board. from "The Dictionary of Words I Made Up Because I am Bored Waiting for the Gold Demo to Be Released" (2000 Edition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Foobar Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I understand the decrapification <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I think a better term might be the *encrapification* of my units, seeing that decrapifying might imply lessening the crap.Compare the phrase with encrypt, and decrypt, and I think I have made a pretty solid case for ...encrapification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcarey Posted January 28, 2000 Author Share Posted January 28, 2000 *speaking out from the place the sun don't shine * while encrapification is in many cases used as you pointed out (along the lines of encrypt) decrapifications is derived from Latin: "de" meaning "down from", "crap" meaning "crap", and the verb facio, facere meaning "to make or do" hence "decrapification" literally means "a making of crap down from" while "encrapification" more commonly means "making of crap out of", a subtle but important distinction. - Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sgt Morgue Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 just a word on nomenclature , when you devide a squad what you then have is two fire teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Beman Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 We're not debating nomenclature, we're debating whether it's "DE" or "EN" crapification. Also, we're wondering if CM imparts any sort of penalties to split squads OTHER THAN the simple reduction in numbers. Where is BTS when we need them? DjB ps they're probably making a run over the border for some Canadian beer, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sgt Morgue Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 EXCUSE me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>just a word on nomenclature , when you devide a squad what you then have is two fire teams. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I believe fire teams are a post WWII concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Tom Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 I think that squads are divided into sections, or is it a few squads (less than a Platoon) are sections? Or is a squad also known as a section?!?! I don't know anymore!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Foobar Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 So Berli, what would you suppose the definition of encrapification to be; Compare & contrast the differences and similarities to decrapification, if you will indulge me. I think that this crap is in need of some elaboration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>what would you suppose the definition of encrapification to be; Compare & contrast the differences and similarities to decrapification, if you will indulge me. I think that this crap is in need of some elaboration.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I would have to say that encrapification would be the correct term for splitting squads, while decrapification would be the term used for recombining squads. Now, I may be wrong... I don't have my Oxford dictionary here with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I think that squads are divided into sections, or is it a few squads (less than a Platoon) are sections? Or is a squad also known as a section?!?! I don't know anymore!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> For WWII, I believe squad and section mean the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Time Software Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 Section has special meaning to Commonwealth formations. IIRC it is what they call a Squad, but it is also used for other things too? We just call 'em squads and anything smaller a Team or Crew. To answer the real question here, not the other crap , I am fairly sure that a new leader is assigned to the split off team. This leader's qualities are different and therefore Morale could be affected. Best person to ask is Fionn. He LOVES 1/2 squads Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted January 28, 2000 Share Posted January 28, 2000 I've been using them to good effect on you and Bil in the PBEMs . Half-squads are equally encrapified as far as I know (decrapified is not the correct term BTW guys). It's a small abstraction but quite reasonable IMO since this is a game and not a command stressor simulation. Half-squads are primarily useful as a: Maskirovka (making the enemy think there are more of you than there are... deception in other words) and holding a long outpost line where you don't have enough tactical units to hold it.. Split squads almost double the number of tactical units available. Don't use them in full combat though, they don't hold up well. ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Foobar Posted January 29, 2000 Share Posted January 29, 2000 A quote from billcarey: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Decrapification (n) (1) The quality of being decrapified. (2) A reduction in effectiveness so as to ensure crappiness in a military unit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Now Bill, I thought about this for a long time last night, and I think that the problem with using decrapification as a term for splitting squads is that it is a form of a double-negative. Splitting squads would only be de-crapification, if you somehow improved them by getting rid of some terrible albatross of a squad member, and still it would crapify the section that got him. I have to come down with Berli on this one, do you have any rebuttal to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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