Freyland Posted May 15, 2000 Share Posted May 15, 2000 Both the 150mm anti-infantry gun (my new favorite toy) and the Sherman 105mm Howitzer have HE and smoke ammo, but also have ammo denoted by the letter 'c'. What is that? Thanks! Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrapGame Posted May 15, 2000 Share Posted May 15, 2000 Isn't that a type of shaped charge projectile? I believe it is a type of warhead that gives them some anti-armor capability, although it is not anywhere near the level of the 75L70 of the Panther. CrapGame out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabot Posted May 15, 2000 Share Posted May 15, 2000 It is a shape charge, the primary AP round for these weapons. Because the 105 and 150 are essentially anti-infantry weapons they have low muzzle velocities, so they rely on the shape charge to punch thru enemy armor. AFVs like the Panther and the Hellcat can produce the high muzzle velocities necessary to punch thru armor with penetrators. ------------------ "I do like to see the arms and legs fly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scott Clinton Posted May 15, 2000 Share Posted May 15, 2000 These are HEAT shells. The range has no effect on their abilty to penetrate armor IF (big IF) they hit. Also the 'slope' of the enemy tank's armor should have much less effect on the penetration of these shells than vs standard AP rounds. ------------------ Please note: The above is solely the opinion of 'The Grumbling Grognard' and reflects no one else's views but his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 c stands for hollowCharge in case anybody was wondering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babra Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 SPOILER That 150mm IG seems WAY too accurate against armour. Rate of Fire is predictably slow, but it doesn't miss much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 Well, it's probably a very stable (read, big and beastly) platform to fire from. I'm not surprised it's accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 Hell, I haven't managed a SINGLE tank kill with a 150mm sIG EVER and I've used them in at least a dozen PBEM games ( not VoT but DYO-created games and tester-created scenarios). I love the 150 but it just dies so quickly that I prefer the 75mm IG now. Babra, so I guess it depends on luck. I haven't EVER seen a single 150mm sIG even HIT a tank never mind kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 Apparently Fionn didn't include our game into his last post. ------------------ Hey I already got blown today, thats more than most people that read these threads! - Madmatt My website! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 Heh get the sIG to wait until the Shermans are 200m away 4 dead Shermans, the last one killed from 2 HE impacts on the lower side armour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moiety Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 How do you hide the stugs and get them to wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hundminen Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 One of the coolest things I have noticed is the big arc trajectory of heavy-but-slow-moving shells from the 150. Take a look. Very cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodwood Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 Rats, I thought it stood for cannister (fleshette), and was looking forward to seeing a single shot take out an inf sect at short range. Now thats what I call spoiler info Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 ok as luck would have it I just managed my first EVER tank kill with a sIG 150 . Sorry about that Colin. At least the good news is that it was a quick death for 3 of the crew ( how do I know 3 died? Simple.. I have forces VERY near to the tank and can see all your forces there. have fun advancing into my killzone.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest -panzershreck- Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 my 150 always get killed by arty, no matter where i put it about 1 000 000 shells come down on it like rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Madmatt Posted May 16, 2000 Share Posted May 16, 2000 What I find interesting in this (and a few other) threads is that there seems to be this sense from players that 'Gee, this big bulky incredibly lethal with crew exposed artillery piece keeps getting taken out by artilerry!" Ummm, correct me if I a wrong but err isn't that how it's SUPPOSED TO BE DONE?!?!!?!? The American player had about a Divisions worth of Artillery and he would be a fool not to plaster every single little hiding place on this map. I know I did! Just because there is a unit included in your OOB doesn't mean that it's going to be able to do anything for you... Welcome to Unfair War 101! And just a hint for all you suffering from the constant American Death from the Skies...Ummm all that artyiller needs spotters to call in, those spotters need to have good LOS to the barrage areas in order to be accurate... Ever think about doing something to 'suppress' that aim??? Most of the lethality in the American forces in this scenario lies with 3 or 4 two man teams... Eliminate those spotters and it's a much different game... Madmatt ------------------ If it's in Combat Mission, it's on Combat Mission HQ! And if it's NOT on CMHQ then its just GOT to be on CMHQ-ANNEX... CMHQ http://combathq.thegamers.net CMHQ-Annex http://cmhq.tzo.com Both now proud members of the Combat Mission WebRing [This message has been edited by Madmatt (edited 05-16-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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