White Phosphorus Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69944650/38_11377_12.pdf Original report. The gist of it is that the 76.2 mm F-34 (T34 KV) failed to penetrate anything even at 200m range. When firing at the side only the 82mm armor was targeted. 76.2 AA is also bad. Scored only one penetration at 500m on the turret from the side when the round hit the weld between the roof and the side of the turret. 45mm 1937 (T70). firing sub-caliber ammo penetrates 82mm side out to 350, and 62mm side out to 500. This thing is more effective than the F-34. The round is tiny though. Makes only a 20mm hole. 57mm Zis-2. Breaks welds at 500m shooting the front but cannot penetrate. Penetrates the side and turret out to 1000m, makes a giant 110mm hole, and breaks off a chunk of armor 110x140mm. 85mm AA is beast. Penetrates lower front 100mm at 60 degrees at 1000m. The study also lists various artillery pieces, grenades, mines AT rifles, and LL equipment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kineas Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 That's a fantastic source, thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 That is interesting. The question for CMBB is whether that above is modeled. It makes the 76.2mm T34 and KV1 look useless. However, they were successful in RL, so what gives? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgusEye Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Very nice. Especially the photo's are great. My gratitude is great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Alte Fritz Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 This issue has been aired before see here: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=39282 Basically the Soviets had ammunition (and tank armour) production issues right up to late 1943 but this is not modelled very accurately in CMBB "Early problems with Soviet ammunition Soviet armour piercing ammunition in the early-war period was of low quality. The ammunition had poor quality fuses (often resulting in the round exploding before it had fully penetrated the tank’s armour), and were poorly engineered (causing the shell to disintegrate on impact with the enemy tank). As a result the Russian anti-tank guns did not always perform up to expectations. The quality problems with Soviet ammunition were not completely rectified until 1944. Ammunition was also in short supply for many weapons, as production had been halted in preparation for the new generation of guns. Ammunition production was hurriedly restarted after the German invasion but shortages still caused problems in the early war period." Similar data was produced here: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=40184 But in 1944 the situation improved and standard BR-350B round would have penetrated the side armour of a Tiger up to 500m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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