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Here´s from Syria. A T-72 gets the turret blown off, it goes fast. Jump to 7:05 where the action begins.

Yes, Tanks are packed with explosives

Here is the same T-90 after the TOW hit, according to the Russians.

Here is TOW 2B that makes the turret of a combat loaded T-72 fly

Oh the hull sides have not seen much improvements, that is correct. Although some Leopard 2 countries have modular side and/or IED protection, it is in low numbers. marked for tanks that will serve in, for example Afghanistan. Not their entire tank fleets, for national defense.

Since Leo 2a5 there is addon armor to the front half of the turret sides. But even if the turret may look the same behind those addon plates, the inserts of composite has changed over the years. Just as it has On the Abrams. Since i´m from Sweden, i have no knowledge of the difference between different German versions. But i have great knowledge of the Swedish Strv 121 (Leo 2a4) and Strv 122. But the Strv 122 has addon armor from the then Swedish corporation Åkers krutbruk, which is now owned to 51% by German corporation IBD. And yes, its the same concept as Leo 2 Evolution. IBD is the manufacturer of both.

Sorry i missed your post earlier I disagree that newer versions of Leo 2, is equally vulnerable as the A4 on the side. Because they are not. But i see your point, and it is absolutely true that newer versions would not stop a metis or kornet in the side. And you are absolutely right, that APS is the way to go. As a cheap temporary solution, maybe advanced slatarmour could do a decent jobb. Like on this one http://www.armyrecognition.com/december_2010_army_military_defense_industry_news/swedish_mbt122b_evolution_one_of_best_protected_main_battle_tanks_in_the_world_23122010-5.html

I agree. The Turks tactics are probably not top of the line. But hey! everyone can get ambushed. It looks like longrange shots, maybe 2-3km from the flanks. And your 1 gen thermals wont help you to detect an ATGM team at that range, especially not in the high temperatures of Syria.

We must take into account here, that the Turkish Leo 2s. Are some of the oldest in service, anywhere in the world today. You can compare them with the original M1, or maybe the M1A1. There are many different versions of armor on the Leo 2. Like the Swedish Strv 122, with heavily reinforced turret roof armor, the german Leo 2A7 and a7+. All with very improved armor vs the Turks A4.

I think ChrisND said: "Black Sea module: think Marines, Naval Infantry, and VDV, among other new forces. And new high-tech toys. I want to really flesh out American, Ukrainian, and Russian forces/equipment on all levels before moving on to new nationalities"

In CMRT There is 300mm MLRS, not with thermobaric or cluster warheads though. In this thread http://sturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/61-ukrainian-armor-oplot-m-t-64m-bulat-and-other/ there is a lot of pictures of destroyed armour. several from artillery attacks. Dont know which warheads in use though In CMBS there is 25mm thermobaric grenades in the US squad weapon.

Thanks for your welcoming thoughts. And yes, I know what you mean, it will surely come soon. but in between, i just enjoy the mature tone English is not my native language , so i excuse myself if something is wrong.

read it! For sure! it would, and i like it

Hi all This is my first post here, but i´ve read this forum since last summer, and i like the mature tone here. I played CMBB and CMAK for many years. And this summer i was back (for good i think now :)). I bought CMSF (all modules), CMBS and CMRT. After playing CMSF for a few weeks i bought CMBS, and after that i uninstalled Shock Force. Since it felt old in comparison. But the arty is to weak against vehicles, i think. This is very interesting reading from Ukraine ( read it all ) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwsSGlkg0LM2aVhrNXExQ2FVTngxbzhWYVFCSFpvNWNCdVFB/view its from The potomac foundation But if you are only interested in the topic, go to page 36 : Fire strike at Zelenopillya Where two Ukranian mechanized battalions was caught in the open, and was decimated. They lost almost all their vehicles in just a few minutes to Russian artillery and MLRS. With the latter employing top attack munitions, and thermobaric warheads. .