Bloodstar44

Hehe, just got trashed (again) in Dunkirk mission. Those H35 are something! I aimed at turret yes dumb and on that tank was clearly visible shots from my tank hehe. I pull everything I sad badly about this game It is maybe better to aim at tracks... I guess that I simply suck (yet) at this game

Isn't it better to take 5 38 and 1 PzJgd? Instead of those 4c due to crappy stats of 4c?

Then formulate valid criticism instead of racist crap... Nobody would have had any issues with your post if it were reasonable and contained substantiated points. ----------- Can we get serious. First that is not racist crap. My English do lack words but some behaviour then must be explained with better English word. And I don't want to argue. Another thing - every game strives to perfection. You will see that those who don't fail. And I know that even games that feels perfect can have some small things that are not! Yes, I know that. BUT! If some parts were made perfect than I don't see a point in not striving to make those small easy to change things also perfect. You know trying is also not achieving and I will credit at least those who tried. I am not troublemaker here so I think that this discussion maybe needs to come to an end. Certanly my words are a little bit edgy and maybe offensive but that is the passion of a gamer, it not be judged to harsh. And please stop it with calling me a racist that is furthest from the truth. I used the word lazyness and sloppiness and I am labeled as racist. Well done. See I didn't say that Russians are lazy as per se. That is what you imagined in your mind. So that is telling more about you than about me. I was describing atrend I have seen in Russian made games. That's all. Of course there are exception. It's quite hypocritical what you are trying to put on my soul. Because in my country I am known as anti nazi, anti nationalists, anti communist , and globally cosmopolitan. So that is not nice that you on the forum label me as racist just because I used some not so appropriate words. Instead please enlighten me what English words to use for that Heroes 5 thing that I described. Game is really great but they could have followed original vision and put those small things to make it perfect. So what is the word for this? Mario

Careful Mario. This place isn't like the Matrix forums. The management bans folks who misbehave. PoE [/QB]

BTW let me be straight with you. Even if I get banned I will not just crush my principles. Now, you have offended me very much by calling me a racist. That is simple not true so moderators as well take a notice. I can comment on game development in ANY country and I can see some trends. That doesn't makes me a racist. I have seen dozen of Russian games. And reviewed many of them. Only recently game development there have started to catch up. And I applaud that. How can I be a racist when one of the most antipicated game this year called Rig'n'Roll is game that I will buy first day on release. Damn it, it's a Russian made game! This as well. So you cannot just offend me and then pretend that nothing happened! I was just stating that many Russian made game had that something in there was not made right. Do you see that in Battlefields 2 or MTW 2? No. So I have given them best possible advice in the world how to beat western developers at their own game and you call me racist? That is too much. And on top of that I have simpathy of Russian game development as it is YOUNGER than in the west. That's why they need to work harder and better. But you cannot call me racist as I have many friends even in Russia. For example Akella. I know personally Dmitry Arkhipov. Akella is one example of better Russian game dev. company. NSK Soft labs as well. So please think what you post. And think about the rights of speech and what is responsibility of spoken word. I stand by my words.

Are you gone mad? Racist nonsense? You are crazy I must admit. I am not a racist so I would call you a fool and a moron. I will not try to explain anything to you. I see that you have IQ 20 or even less. I have a right on my opinion but that some fool call me a racist because of this well that is more than too much! I didn't offended anyone esp. Russian developers - what I said is true. Prime Example: Heroes 5: Publisher Ubi Soft: Developer: Nival Now as I am talking to you and you have IQ of 20 or less I will try to be more descriptive. Nival had more than enough money to develop this game. Go to Celestial Heavens and see what some hardcore Heroes fans are writing hehe. Mine post is story for babies compared to them. But, in the end Nival have pulled a miracle, game is good. What I cannot forgive is when you are aiming at perefection and every Heroes game is aiming at that is this: I cannot forgive sloppines and you must do your best to make even small things perfect because original design is perfect. So listen once more, I am not racist at all. If you had any intelligence you will got that. I am just against sloppiness and laziness. That of course is not just trademark of Russian development but they are entering game industry big time so they have to FIGHT TWICE as much to make GAMES RIGHT. You got that you dickhead?

Right, could you be any more patronizing? Besides, what glaring issues are there? Features? OK, please share some of your ideas with us. Gameplay? Lots of people find it addictive, and it’s really a matter of personal preference... not a thing to blame developers for. Mission balance? Well, war isn’t exactly fair, and ‘balanced’ often means unrealistic. I much prefer a tough challenge than an easy victory, and I don’t think I am than much of an exception among strategy fans. ----- Hey hold your horses... I have praised this game too much so I must balance a things somewhat And don't take my post as too negative, I was speaking about Nival / Heroes 5 as well if you read between the lines which I am fan also. Mostly I agree with you - I don't have big issues with the game. Maybe those things can be changed in few patches. The bug with lock ups - I don't actually understand how it went by in the beta testing process. Sorry but then game is not properly tested. Then I will play ROTK XI until that crucial bug is solved. Camera Control - you just had to watch oher games developments and see that this system now is not very good. Play Heroes 5 and you will se what I mean. Everything is there on the mouse, zooming, rotating, everything. It is a plain NONSENSE that it has to be this way. ----- And with respect to bugs... OK, there is the multicore issue which they are already working on, and a perfect workaround exists in the game options. There are some crashes for a small number of people, and 1C/BFC are very active and helpful in addressing them (plus they are open and transparent in that respect, which is a real exception in the industry nowadays). ---- Hello Dude, don't put me vs. Battlefront now as that is not true! I can criticize game that I paid and all that in good faith. I already stated that game is excellent and still think that. EDIT: well, look into credits how much people worked on this game. I would say - a lot! BF.com was more supervisor and beta testing, majority of work is done by 1C. And NEWSFLASH - 1C just opened a office in USA. They will do distribution in USA via Atari. Of course not for this games but they are entering BIG TIME to the worldwide market. So my post are making the point here - they will learn really painful way if they invest much money into games and if those games are not properly tested or some stupid things are there for player to "enjoy" and beta test. In cuttroath competition in game business that can be question on life and death. And THEN they will ask themselves why Battlefield 2 sells or TOTAL WAR. ------ Besides, I have seen games with huge budgets made by well-known developers which were much buggier... Hell, it took Valve months to address sound stuttering/memory management-related CTDs in HL2 (which were a real showstopper) -- now compare the resources involved. ------- OK, everything is well then. We will wait for a few patches and OK. I know that game industry is like that, Paradox also had those issues before with Hearts of Iron for example and only with few patches game become what is it now. ------ You forgot to add they are unwashed and smell of vodka ... Jeez, I haven't read such prejudiced BS in a long time on a game forum. ------- That is called exaggeration You don't need to take everything so dead seriously. I am sorry for being rude, ok that is not nice. -------- Hasn't it occurred to you that they usually work on non-mainstream, innovative products, and hence have incomparably smaller budgets than the well-established big players who feed you with the 11937th iteration of the same franchise every year? This game, too, while it is a big thing to us strategy fans, is a niche product when you look at the big picture, developed by a relatively small group of people whom you chose to insult here. It’s not a crowd-pleaser, and they may simply lack the resources to perform tests against each possible hardware/OS combination there is, or implement every feature anyone may desire.

I agree with you John. OK I was a bit rude and apologized! What else. I am not against Russian or any other game development. Not at all! In fact I have higher opinion now then let's say 5 years before. Chezh game development is good, Mafia, Operation Flashpoint, Rumanian as well (Silent Hunter 3, 4)... etc. In fact in some respect Russians or East Europe have beaten USA - with dissolve of fabulous Dynamix (some developers from Dynamix went to MS to make FS) sim games are made mostly by Russians and Rumanians LOLZ. I was talking about some small thing that well though so design document will not allow to slip by! And I was talking about organization. Nothing else. So that is not negative view but constructive criticism. And I sure know what I am talking. Mario

LOLZ It won't happen again mighty Sultan I cannot just praise the game, I must also criticize it a little bit. OK maybe to try again Dunkirk scenario, if that lock up doesn't stop me.

I must add that many of the things would not now be a problem if they had a good design plan from the beginning. It's called design document, I think that even Chris Taylor have put a document - what it needs to have. I cannot imagine that they didn't have time to make it right so now we will be beta testers for 6 month so that they make up errors they made in the beginning of the process.

It's the matter of fact that Russian developers are catching up with western. What they lack is tradition, organization of game development from the very beginning, clearly definied what game needs to have when we talk about features, gameplay, mission balance, gameplay issues, bugs (!), and interface issues and on top camera control issues. Now here comes trademark of Russian game development. While they excell at some things they really can ruin some things or make it substandard work at best. They are lazy, not very organized and sloppy. That's why they need direction from western producers and some advice. Well, game is published by Battlefront.com so they will have to watch very seriously at Quality Control. Now when I speak this I must also add that if they manage to iron those bugs and change some things and put few other things THAT CAN BE PUTT etc... then this game will be really great. I smell even classic. What cannot be putt due to time or money constraints ok but they need to organize themselves and do what can be done. That's it. [ April 22, 2007, 05:10 AM: Message edited by: Bloodstar44 ]

To add one things... Collect those small suggestions by players and send them to 1C. You are publisher and producer here. No payment until this milestone is reached ! And no vodka until bugs are eliminated!

I agree with you. Can Battlefront.com and 1C just look at Panzer General 2 brilliant campaign. You can lose, you can get minor victory and major and all those get you to some other missions. Just an idea. Missions are too hard - maybe to make ultra donkey mode for us morons or make available points through the missions so that my forces are not outnumbered too much, basically you need to end each mission very good if you don't want to get slaughtered in another. Hmmm... I see there many frustration as some can get really weak in the middle of campaign and just couldn't go on. pufff all playing gone. I have praised the game but I already see sloppy and lazy Russian developers trademark like in Heroes 5 that is done by Nival. In Heroes 5 they will make gorgeus graphics and then forget to include small feature from Heroes 3 when you choose starting Hero that you can right click on Heroes and see their speciality. No, here you must know all of them. Dunkirk mission freezes for me. Later on it have messed my Mozilla shortcut of couse when I shut down PC because soft reset didn't worked. And each time PC freezes and after restart refresh rate of Monitor is 60Hz and it was 100Hz. Strange!!! Maybe is this for technical support forum. I really do hope that many flaws will be addressed in the game now that is released. And I've heard that later on German campaign missions are also very hard, so there are many T-34 and KV-1's... well I don't know how German have come to Moscow then. This game is about small scale engagement. There shoudn't be too much T-34 in 1941. or KV. Russians employed them in dribblets one or two at max. But Germans there were in bigger numbers and not outnumbered. I don't mind if muissions are hard but they don't need to be very hard to get's in the way of playing or enjoyment of the game. Challenge is OK but I see already some silly things like three rows of Anti tank guns in Dunkirk mission. Oh my God if French were so smart then Paris would not have been won in 1940. I stopped playing last night as PC froze when I tried to load Dunkirk scenario. This patch that address this problem of lock ups is 1st priority. The other priority is to try to explain Russian designers and programmers that some things MUST be in the game. If feature needs works then make them do it. If some part of interface needs small work - MAKE THEM DO IT. If camera needs tweaking make them do it. Say to them that Heroes 5 has nice camera, you do all with mouse! you don't need numeric pad! Why it is hard to make this as a option? And so on - I don't ask for big stuff. I don't care for infantry entering building but game needs many small things to get fixed. Sorry for big post.

If you believe that ToW offers the more authentic WW2 experience then go to it. The question I asked the other poster was why he believed Tow to be a deeper game than CC. Do you? If so, why? It's too early to say which one is more realistic, but already ToW have some nice touches here and there. The use of 3D although with this mess out of LOS and LOF (which to be fair I still didn't studied well) is done pretty well. It certanly is more "living battlefields" than Panzer General 2 Certanly it may be found out that Close Combat is more realistic but ToW did try to shine graphically and in most part of it succeeded but on the other hand that maybe have come off at the expense of realism or some other features. Developing games it's not cheap or easy sport. Mario

Shiftz, Very well said! But you didn't get it People wants real action, real bullets, real smoke and fire, real excitement. That is coming in 2010 on Vista Next Generation. So there will be Minesweeper 2010, MS Pinball 2010, MS Chess 2010 and Sevastopol 1942. In that last game called Sevastopol, Bill Gates will transport your mind to 1942 in time machine Just in time to attack Sapun Heights with German infantry. Mario

Thanks, I'll try that.

'Deeper' than CC in what way? OK, I'm only judging from the demo so far, but as a combat simulation (tactics, morale effects, etc) I'd put ToW well behind CC. It's a fun WW2 RTS that's a little more 'realistic' than 'RTS' usually suggests, but no more than that. That's not a criticism; ToW was clearly never intended to be the new CC any more than it was the new CM. </font>

Well, many will not agree with you. I think that even EA will be envious on Theatre of War value as a product. I think more of Threatre of War as a mainstrem game. That has a advantages and disantvantages (sp?). But, EA or Activision are no more big evil. Even them have realized in one part that gamers wants playable, fun games - look at Battlefield or Total War series, in spite of being mainstream it would be foolish to call them "bad" games. Production as well is top notch there. Battlefront.com is a publisher and developer. By publishing Theatre of War they made maybe best move in their history. Would you rather like that ToW is published by EA or Battlefront.com? Even if some people don't like this game it is better to understand that it is good that BF published this game. This is good for whole wargaming hobby on PC, believe it or not. And BF.com must pay the bills so why on Earth they must stick only with hardcore wargames? Sure CM series was really good and I am also fan of that series but I don't see anything wrong in Theatre of War. It is a good product that may become just better in a few month. So there is really no point in being negative here. Mario

Once the people get across RTS and click fest or click and twitch mind - they will realize that we have a raw diamond here. Better than that you will be paying 2000$ and you will be General in this or that army Mind you, humans are imperfect, we have two eyes and two hands. Like in Total War games pause is your friend. But even with pause you will make errors as there are many units there and all that in real time. Yeah, some say it is unrealistic. Yes, I agree some parts are not realistic. But when we dig behind enormous work that 1C & Battlefront (but mostly 1C to be fair) have done then I am simply amazed. Look at just damage model and so on. With few patches game will be even better. And on top of that it is fun - and for game that is most important. Now when I think about the price it is really cheap - I would gladly send another 50$ to Battlefront.com because this is not another stupid me too game. Mario

Thanks

Didn't know that PzIVC had so crappy armour... jesus... is this correct?

Nice screenshots!

I think that game is fantastic. The camera control is done better in game called Heroes 5. Anybody played that game? It's all controled by mouse, in ToW I must use keyboard as well. Big problem is lock ups, freezing, I would have to defragment HD now as I see some problems now. In the second German misssion Dunkirk I am having lock ups all the time. But I've read some posts that there is a way to save the game during missions. Maybe there is a memory leak or something. Other than that mission are cool but why Germans doesn't have any AT guns in first mission only tanks and infantry. Hmmm, OK those 37 mm were crap anyway. I am enjoying the game but game froze just when I was winning in Dunkirk, yes infantry should charge at those 75mm. Mario