Nightshade

Sorry I meant :confused: CMBB

Is it purely because the engine cannot handle multiple turrets ? Cos they would look superb !

Thanks all for taking up the tank thread, I should have known you would make me check Because of the degree of secrecy the boxes were marked up "with care to Petrograd" in the Cyrillic alphabet and a story was made up that the boxes contained mobile water tanks. So everybody could wander about talking about 'The tanks' nudge nudge wink wink :cool: without those listening walls getting in on it. Memory is going :confused: I'm sure you can see where the transported in water tanks bit comes from.........anyway which one of us is the porpoise ? Laxx - yep you keep the questions coming and I'll keep trying to answer them. And as you can see if I get anything wrong, someone will definately let us kmow Now the name thing. Gemany used letters in brackets when they used other people's captured kit. (t) - Czech, (f) - French ® - Russian etc but that was only part of the name. If we take the French R35. In German service it was called Pzkfw 35R(f) in Romnian service it was still the R35. The czech LT vz 38 (I think that's right) became the Pzkfw 38(t) mentioned above in German service but the LT-38 in The new Slovakia and when the Romanian's got some in 1942 they called them T-38 despite calling there predessesor R-2. It's get's confusing. I think the TA was just the TA, we could do with a Romanian to answer that one. Now captured and lend lease. I would have to agree with everyone else as far as the Western front was concerned. captured kit is a ball ache from a logistics point of view so why use it if you don't need to ? With the amount of equipment pouring into France 1n '44 it just wasn't worth it. However I have seen plenty of photo's of captured stuff used in the desert, Matilda's panzer IV's and so on. Basically cos the navy was having trouble getting kit past the Italian Navy and German bombers in the med, so they had to. Eastern front - diferent story. The Germans basically stuck Pzkfw at the front and ® at the back and as time went on pressed everyting Russina they could into service. The Russians certainly used Panzer III,IV and 38(t)'s and probably others too but I don't think they named them anything new (any one know otherwise :confused: ) The lend lease stuff was certainly renamed. The Matilda was called the mark II or english worman. The early Valentine's were called mark III or if 6pdr armed the Mark VIII if British or mark IX if Canadian, or the American Valentine (best not mentioned to Canadiens this one). Valentines were all also called Pups. The M3 Lee and M3 Stuart were called M3L (light) and M3M (medium) or in the case of the Lee 'Grave for six brothers). The Sherman was called Emcha or M4. The T-40 was renamed SU-57 (classic exapmle of naming by use, it was a half track with an AT gun and hence is prefixed the same as other tank hunting Russian kit despite not being a tank) I keep meaning to knock up a development of Self propelled guns of WWII essay. Perhaps I will do that and post it here. Wouldn't mind getting it straight in my own head for one thing. All the best

AFV means armoured fighting vehicle and to the purest anything with armour that contributes to the fight. We (UK/US) call them tanks because the first one's were transported in large tanks liquid tanks. PanzerKampfwagon is the same thing in German. They call them Panzer (to save time I would imagine !) literally 'armoured...' even a partially armoured truck would not qualify since you would tend to get out before the shooting starts (or your gonna get FUBAR) but a hanomag (sdkfz 251) or a US half-track would, cos it has armour and usually an MG and you can ride them into battle. they are 'armoured fighting vehicles' The term Tankette is usually applied to the variety of tiny little recon/training/concept tanks build pre-war by virtually everybody. They are characterised by having light armour, an MG main armourment and being very small and light. If you categorise your tanks as light/medium/heavy they are in a class before light possibly alongside most armoured car's. They are however still tanks or Panzer's. The T38 is not the PZ 38(t) The T38 is a good example of a Russian tankette/recon tank, the PZ 38(t) is a light tank used by the Germans (among others) and origianlly czech (hence the (t)) it has more armour than a tankette and a 37mm gun along with 2 MG's. Where this all get's dodgy for example would be with a panzer I. It too has all the characteristics of a tankette but is not generally referred to as one. Bare in mind that these terms are a little flexible. The early STUG's priciple purpose was fire support (assault gun) but it was later used as an anti-tank device in place of tanks (Tank destroyer). And if you only have light tanks then they are medium to you aren't they ? Also every nation did not use the same terminology and certain concepts, armoured box's in place of turrets for example were not universal so a US 'tank destroyer' is not hte same as a German self propelled A/T Gun. Now, your list of vehicles. All the Toldi are light tanks. The Turan are PZ 35(t) an early version of the czech tank above. The Hungarians refer to the first one as a medium tank and the second as a heavy tank (it has a larger gun put in the turret). Everyone else call's them light tanks. Zrinyi are assault guns based I believe on the good old czech chassis again. The first has an anti-tank gun so could be called self propelled a/t but that term is generally not applied when you have a roof and decent armour (there are exceptions) then event the anti-tank armed seem to get called Assault guns. Csaba are armoured cars. CV-35 is the Italian L3 light tank (good example of an almost tankette) The nimrod is an open topped self propelled AA/AT gun on the chassis of the Toldi L6 is a light tank Semovente are all self propelled assault guns except the L40 47/32 and M43 90/53 which are open topped self propelled anti-tank guns. CV-33 as CV-35 but even closer example. The R2 is the old Panzer 35(t) again (they got about a bit) The R35 is the French R35 a medium tank. T-3, T-4 and T-38 are just Rumanian designations for Panzer 3.4 and the 38(t) again. TA is their designation for a STUG Assault gun. TACAM's are Rummanian rebuilds of other tanks. The R2 TACAM is the Panzer 38(t) with a captured soviet 76mm gun. The T60 is a captured Soviet T-60 with a 76mm gun in an open mount. I.e self propelled artillery ot anti-tank. The next three are captured Russian tanks The R1 is a czech tankette in every sense of the word. They were only used in the recon battalions of Rummanian Cavalry units. 222 Armoured car, whatever it's function cos it's got wheels and armour. is an AFV though. 251 armoured half track, AFV. Malaxa is a French renault UE armoured carrier. An AFV. T37 is a capturd Russian Tankette. It would appear to depend on how you want to classify these vehicles. They are all vehicles, either armoured or unarmoured. among the armoured group are tanks tankettes etc. but this whole group are AFV's. You would be better off listing them by function. Armoured cars Tankette and Recce tanks Light tanks Medium tanks Heavy tanks Tank destroyers and self propelled anti-tank guns Assault guns and self propelled artillery Armoured transports and tows Un armoured transports and tows. Tank destroyers and Assault guns are a similar concept, making use of a tank chassis to carry a (usually larger) artillery piece or anti-tank gun. Some are open topped some are not, some have heavy armour some do not. They are defined by their purpose. Hope that helps, probably very little but the issue is far from clear cut.

Plenty of tanks penetrated multiple time in WWII and stil able to function. HOWEVER - the crew's (particularly poor Russian one's) likely to leg it or be 'shocked' and be suprised if there is not at least a casualty. Most tank penetrations are turret i.e. commander. That ought to cause some problems. Occasionally shells passed right through the tanks (88's, long 50's 75/70 etc) killing no one. I have noticed with the little 37mm 'doorknocker' you often have to hit a few time's.

Plenty of tanks penetrated multiple time in WWII and stil able to function. HOWEVER - the crew's (particularly poor Russian one's) likely to leg it or be 'shocked' and be suprised if there is not at least a casualty. Most turret penetrations are turret i.e. commander. That ought to cause some problems. Occasionally shells passed right through the tanks (88's, long 50's 75/70 etc) killing no one. I have noticed with the little 37mm 'doorknocker' you often have to hit a few time's.

Cold, well below freezing Snowing Dark definately not :cool:

Bit of a gamble here. Anyone got an up to date e-mail address for Bob MacKenzie, author of 'The thin Grey Line' 'Comrades in Arms' Army lists for WWII wargaming. Bit cheeky I know, but there must be plenty of wargamers who play CM.

The issue here is not whether any of these factors influence the fall of a shell (or rocket ?) The spotter is not going to order a Fire for effect until he is happy the spotting round is landing in the right place. The issue is that of entire salvo's every round, falling in the wrong place. The odd one fine, but all of them ?????? :confused:

Thanks for all that folks glad it a known problem and my computer doesn't hate me (Mike the wino - how's the therapy going :eek: ). Maybe Matt/Martin and co at battlefront catch patch it up - sounds like a +/- maths issue to me. Back to my (Doomed game) .......Now how am I going to charge these trenches with no Arty.........???????? Cheers All

saved game sent.

Yep LOS to target - veteran - in command - rested - not under fire / pinned etc. Baffling :confused:

Yep that's about what happened - Finnish vodka ? could be the answer - I've tried the stuff myself. :eek:

I still have a few - third world war (GDW), all three boxes, Rise and decline of the third Reich (avalon hill) and several others. Wheeled them out occasionally but who wants to spend all that time setting up looking at charts and so on when a machine can do it for you ? :cool:

Having a bit of a problem with a CMBB scenario. Battle centres around my plucky Finns assaulting Russians in trenches. Obviously the two spotters are the key to victory but for some reason they are dropping their ordenance Bloo&$* miles away. Why ?

Having a bit of a problem with a CMBB scenario. Battle centres around my plucky Finns assaulting Russians in trenches. Obviously the two spotters are the key to victory but for some reason they are dropping their ordenance Bloo&$* miles away. Why ?