Delta

God damnit..... it happened ONCE AGAIN!!! My friend is quite pissed. So am I. This time it froze March 7th. All when Russia was buying Corps left and right. The setting was green, with no increase to computer experience (hey, sue us, we're n00bs to the hardcore wargaming scene - we are used to conventional RTS and games like Red Alert 2 and starcraft and others like Axis and Allies and junk). My friend says I also think its a "dicky" thing to do, as he so eloquently put it. Surely there was more options to hacker-proof the game than disabling the save option? Cripes, either way, a serious enough hacker could make save games possible, it would just take a crap load of time and effort.... so I guess you got your objective done since you turned away most pirates and hackers by doing so.... but still, its quite annoying for the average player. He also asks why the heck its much harder to do take cities and kill units... so I told him about Hubert increasing defense and decreasing offense attack points. He says thats real stupid because its not nessesarry to both decrease attacking strength and increase defensive measures like entrenchment value and defense attack points. Its overkill to do both, because it just makes defending that much easier. In RTS, theres a term "Hermit" for players that only make static defenses and some mobile reserves to defend the base... and its pretty hard to do so for the most part. But what you are doing here is just making it that much easier to be a "hermit", and hide behind your defense lines of corps while the attacker gets his ass handed to him. I would like to add, that we love your game, and enjoyed the beta demo for countless games and numerous hours. We just think that you guys made a couple of mistakes with the game, but thats ok, because if we can do some mods to it (to make it kind of easier to attack and sort of put it back the way it was in the beta demo, than there is really no issue here).... but since we got the gold demo, which was going to hold us over till the game is shipped to us, well... its kinda sucky to have it freeze at seemingly random intervals (when russia purchases over a certain amount of corps, or any units for that matter). We wanted to play the gold demo ever since we heard about it. Now its a big dissapointment. Oh well. Hopefully you will adress these bug issues in the gold demo, and hopefully you will allow people like us to mod the game so that it will be what it was like in the beta demo (minus the gamey strategies and bugs, of course). [ July 19, 2002, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: Delta ]

Ah, fixed it. I found the solution on another post. What you have to do is delete the beta demo and everything that is related to it. That did it for me, cause my friend just played and it didnt freeze for him after I deleted everything. Now the only problem is the gold demo ends only 2 turns farther than the beta demo.... bah!

I also have a problem with the Gold demo. I dont know if it is related, but go here. http://www.battlefront.com/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=000605

Every time (literally, I tried it 3 times, then I got fed up with it, because of no save setting.) Every time I invade Russia after I defeat france, it goes fine until may. And that during may, Russia goes through its turn, and is almost done, but purchases a few corps, and when trying to purchase the last one, it freezes the game. A quick ctrl-alt-delete shows that SC is "not responding". Its ****ed up... and Im getting quite pissed, cause Ive been waiting for this demo for soooo long (ever since I got sick of the beta demo). If it helps, Im using XP Home, and P4 1.65 processer with 256mb DDR RAM. (Im on my friends computer right now, this is his computers problem.... hopefully it will not happen on my 1337 Athlon 1800+xp, 512mb DDR RAM, Geforce 3, on the XP Home platform. Please tell me what I can do to fix it, and if you dont know how, or cant tell, than can you at least tell me when there going to be a patch to help me? Isnt anyone else having the same problem? Maybe its just XP Home, or maybe its just my bad luck I would like a response ASAP. Thanks guys. [ July 19, 2002, 08:24 PM: Message edited by: Delta ]

Thanks hubert.

I thought that they were different. I think they are, still. Maybe they are just working real hard. HOpefull thats it, and not that they are a bunch of wankers prancing around an answer, like a lot of other devs are.

Ok guys, we have waited over a week after the hags incident for the gold demo. Now its just getting a little frustrating. You said this week would be the week, you explicitelly implied and even directly said it in plain words. Every day this week I would wake up and come to the site to see if I could order or if the Gold demo came out..... to no avail. Now its Friday, and still no announcement, and still no word from the devs. I dont understand it. You should at least say something like "We are running into a couple of small problems here, the gold demo will probably be released sometime early next week" or something like that. You should at least say something to us, inform us. We really cant ask for more. Just keep us in the loop, which youve done so many times in the past. Lately youve been on the forums but havent been informing us that much (at least not about the gold demo and/or release). Please, Hubert and friends, RESPOND! Thanks in advance.

I not only want it..... I NEED IT!!! /me cries

Hi guys. I just wanted to know exactly when is the game going to be gold, and if you cant answer that, than I hope you can answer my next question. When is the gold demo coming out? Please, do tell! I cant seem to wait any longer! Ive played over 30 games in the demo, I just cant get enough! But its really really hard to wait for this game to come out! I hope it comes out soon, cause i can barely wait!!!!!!! OMG I WANT IT!! PS. THANK YOU DEVS FOR MAKING SUCH A GREAT GAME. I hope you guys are successful in your next ventures.

Bah I am not going to respond to your harsh comments, I will just let you win. I like how you kept on saying harsh and hurtful things but then said ok to stop the argueing. lol, your a silly guy. Now, back to clicking refresh on the order page every 5 seconds

Nice post Hubert. Now get back to work! Onward onward! *cracks whip*

Whatever. If you dont believe me than thats fine. You can just keep on believing your truth, and I will keep on believing mine. Hmmmm... I dont know..... Team Fortress II.... CounterStrike: Condition Zero... do they ring ANY bells? Apparently you do not follow the industry or only follow the wargame part of the industry. Therefore you can not know how many people bought Half Life just for the mods. I just asked people in 5 games of defeat games and the total amount of people were 86. Out of that 86 people, 14 said they bought Half Life just to play the mods. Now, that may be a lot comparitively, but I think you can get the drift of the mod community from that. What I mean is, the percentage in that survey is high, but it may be higher or lower in the mod community - but you get the general flow of things. Good, then you can read Moons post and see that Hubert allows modding, and that all you have to do is ask first. Then maybe we can stop this argueing and get back to being friends That was just an example dude. And besides, it would be pretty cool. If someone did that I would be hardpressed to turn my head away. But if Hubert DIDNT allow we would know that something along those lines is in developement and we just got free info No, actually MODS IS THE ISSUE I AM ARGUEING ABOUT. NOT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS (Well, I was argueing about that before, but I read up on some laws like you suggested, and I was proved wrong in that aspect. At least I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.) I have personal experience with people I know online and offline that have said they bought Half Life because they wanted to play the mods. Some said the mods were just icing on the cake, but some said the mods were the cake, and that the single player game was icing. Uh, not really. The only thing I am argueing about is modding. That is what I am talking about here. Obviously this thread was originally about hacking and hags, but, in my mind, it turned into a thread about modding. Thats why I said its an offshoot issue. Yeah, but modding is going to be done either way. You MUST realize that! Just because its illigal doesnt mean its going to stop. Outlaw ice cream and people will still get it one way or another. LMAO. Your an alright guy, you stick to your morals. I admire that. Now lets stop this silly argueing once and for all Ok then, now we can get back to being our old grognard selves.

Yes I was wondering this also, I had nearly taken the Urals and was needing some air defense in france, cause the RAF was bombing the crap outa me Twas my best game so far. I dont think we will be able to copy and paste our saved games, but you never know.

Sounds good! Im going to have to pick some of these up, or order them from amazon as soon as Im finished with Volume 4 of 'The Hurtgen Forest' and Barbarossa (forgot the name of the author).

Cool link Thanks hubert!