Traject0ry

But where do you draw the line? A single man who could endanger your platoon? Kill him. A village where someone shoots at your men? OK, order an airstirke! Reminds me of certain actions of German soldiers when fighting partisans. Take a few hostages and kill them if you don't get information. Hey, if it's for the mission... Sorry for the crude examples, but where do you actually draw the line? Is there any? I've been a soldier (thank god during peacetime), trained as a sniper/sharpshooter and I had lots of discussions with my comrades about these topic. I'm targeting an enemy soldier 500m away, he's sitting against a tree, smoking a cigarette. No danger for me. Could I kill him cold-blooded? I'm really glad I never was in a situation where I had to make such decisions.</font>

Agreed on all accounts. -T

Uhhh, I'm not sure where YOU serve but I think the worst cases do not make it through the selection back here. Still I prefer the company of the nastiest and meanest guy actually passing the selection on the field of combat. I am glad that your army lets you choose your fights and who to shoot at. Unfortunately us all don't get to pick. Killing for fun is not something that catches my fancy either but serving in the Guerilla type of warfare unit requires a certain type of character. "Brake glass in the event of war". Soldier is a tool necessary to attain certain goals. I'd be glad to do without (I'm also trained in other sort of profession) but as it is there is little reason to deny the fact that practically every conflict produces necessary civilian casualties. I rest my case on killing people talks. -T

I have certain knowledge that leaders are trained in certain armies to complete their mission at any cost. They are not ordered to shoot civilians or prisoners. Perhaps they just do not take prisoners or are forced to rely on force in order to get the job done. You guys really need to wake up. There are very little rules in the war.

If you split a squad and delete other half the other goes as well... -T

Professional soldier sees things through a clear glass. He has a mission which he must complete. The cost might be a few stretcher-bearers or civilians shot. It might be the loss of good troopers in his unit. In the end he seeks to complete his orders. If he needs to shoot people in order to be done with his orders he will shoot. If he has to hit a little boy with a shovel he might. Killing enemy "without order" as in "during stand down time" is very common. Soldier exists to kill the enemy. That is his duty and obligation. Still he knows to stay his hand if the objective needs to be acquired through stealth and contemplated action. Good professional soldier is bold, arrogant and has an ability to ignore value of human life when necessary. Civilians, stretcher-bearers and such might become obstacles to his mission in which case he has to deal with them quickly and efficiently. If the situation is grave and action needs to be taken fast it gets messy. If he considers civilians as a threat to the completion of his mission they are to be taken care of. I have heard of great number of people who suffocated in a small locked basement. I have heard of people been herded and shot like cattle. In the former case the soldier decided to risk it and save a few lives. In the end his nice thoughts mattered little. You guys can wear your flower hats and skirts (nothing against scotsmen here...) if you like but in the ditch under fire I choose the meanest and nastiest guy beside me if I can. If I am good enough he will see me through the trouble as he needs me in order to get the job done. If I am not good enough I'm dead anyway. Too bad that these guys have no place to be in during peacetime. Usually they get into serious trouble in no time and have grand clashes with all kinds of authorities. On the field of combat it is the guy who is ready and eager to kill who tells you about yesterday. -T [ June 28, 2002, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: Traject0ry ]

Nice job so far, I should be the one gathering the results though I'll mail you guys today... -T

All seats taken, I'll beback with my next tourney project on July, just you wait

Hasbro = Hasborg -> "You will be assimilated"

All seats taken, next tournament starts in the end of July...

Guess the Teutonic savages knew it and tried to take the advantage of surprise by attacking the British while these were having their tea. It is hard to hold a cup and fire accurately -T

Hola, new Allied D has been selected by the advertising department. Heads up for the info mail (Axis players) and I'm sure that he'll introduce here later as the games actually start. In the case somebody did NOT get my mail the mail address to the new Allied D (Jyrki Virtanen obviously) is jyrki.virtanen@uku.fi so make him feel welcome. -T out (for now)

You are so in! wait for the mails from the nazis - uh... ...axis players. -T

Still needing a replacement for an early casualty. Answer as soon as possible! -T

In order to join mail me traject0ry@hotmail.com and announce that you are willing to join. Allied war effort needs YOU! Tournament details here (Click the link!): "100 Minutes Tournament" -T

Noooooo! A failure! How could you guys manage a draw! Well, hope you at least enjoyed the ride (This baby -"Mechanized Bushmen" that is- is mine so J will laugh at me forever for designing such a grand victory or death scenario :mad: ) and the even scoring will only serve you ill if other players get more drastic numbers . -T

I am on the job! Need to do some advertising (once more) so keep it under your hat for a few more days. Sorry for the inconvenience - see the crybaby post above... -T

If there is to be one comment singled out as my favourite on this topic this will do -T

Okay, FINALLY got done the load left on my table (I was gone for a week and been busy yet another - damn boss could not understand the importance of this tournament :mad: )and I'm very pleased to see that you guys are still with me... I've heard that allied D (leedisantis) has not quite been up to the challenge and thus needs replacing. I was in such a hurry in order to get this started that I failed to pick the proper bunch you all would have deserved for this but as it seems most of you are very happy with the company and enjoy the games you actually get to play . I'm learning here though and as the next tourney will be launched (in late July?) all the active members in this tournament automatically receive invitations while the additional guys will be screened more thoroughly in order to find out if they are actually willing to play it by the rules. More rules will also be applied as my idea of "easy-paced" gaming (at least three or four turns a week) was not included in the ruling - being a stupid and simple Finn :confused: I assumed that people VOLUNTEERING for a TOURNAMENT would actually be INTERESTED and WILLING to play the scenarios written by several people and then again made available by single guy advertising this unique opportunity (I should work for the Q-Channel ). All right - enough ranting and such, now I'm trying this other way round (trying to get off the hook ) and I'm asking YOU guys if you would know someone proper and nice gamer with a half filled card able and willing to replace the allied D in our tournament (as most of you know at least some good gamers...) as this would erase most of my difficulties. Finding a proper fellow in short time could be surprisingly hard in the end. If not then the good old advertising department will get the job and as they too are getting no pay from this I look forward in seeing the smiles on their faces... That was a lot of Graemlins, -T

Sorry laddie, it's axis for you. I promise you get to pick next time. It's a promise! -T

BigAlMoho@aol.com Axis W packman64@msn.com Axis X tdfxman@yahoo.com Axis Y jon@pixar.com Axis Z stoffers@wanadoo.nl Allied A boredmeijer@home.nl Allied B schmegeg@gte.net Allied C leedisantis@hotmail.com Allied D Here are the final participants. Remember that pulling out will require a replacement to be found. Hope you'll enjoy these. Remember that these are not perfectly balanced and losing a match will not dramatically affect your chances of tournament victory (unless all other axis/allied players playing the same scenario on the same side have won). Axis players will start the games and mail them to their lucky Allied opponents. May start now (unless they are already running!)... Axis W: plays against Allied A "Dius Irae" plays against Allied B "Arch Enemies" plays against Allied C "Mechanized Bushmen" plays against Allied D "Recogne Recount" Axis X: plays against Allied A "Arch Enemies" plays against Allied B "Mechanized Bushmen" plays against Allied C "Recogne Recount" plays against Allied D "Dius Irae" Axis Y: plays against Allied A "Mechanized Bushmen" plays against Allied B "Recogne Recount" plays against Allied C "Dius Irae" plays against Allied D "Arch Enemies" Axis Z: plays against Allied A "Recogne Recount" plays against Allied B "Dius Irae" plays against Allied C "Arch Enemies" plays against Allied D "Mechanized Bushmen" I shall attach a zip file consisting all four scenarios to this mail (to the axis players) and all games are to be started and played on your own pace, either pbem or tcp/ip. If someone has not answered your mail before 10th of June please report to me and I'll check if the person in question has died or just needs to be replaced. Good luck champions, report to HQ (me that is) at least thrice in a two-month period! Report the results (both players) and keep in mind that best allied and axis player will be rewarded!!!!! If someone did NOT get my mail please post here and give me a WORKING e-mail address. Scenarios can be sent from one axis player to another so just mail the zip file if someone did not get it and my mail delivery will not for some reason get it there... -T -MS

Hope you got my mail Gpig, if not post your preferred side here... -T

Welcome new volunteers! Some of the games are already on (I hope) and we are still one player short. As I've been swamped with questions I briefly note facts about the tournament below: You MUST play all four listed premade scenarios! You MUST play all four as either Axis or Allied, no swapping sides allowed!!!! You MUST find a replacement if you are backing from the tournament. You MUST play Pbem if your opponent so requests. You MUST play each scenario against different opponent! You MUST have fun! You MUST send the results via e-mail to me or Jay. Rest is quite frankly up to you... -T

Heads up as mails are on the way... Check your opponents for the first games and start playing if and when you are ready. If someone did not receive my mail please mail me or post here! Still four players short, gather your guts and slice yourself some glory. willing victims post here! -T

Welcome aboard! As soon as my inquiries (concerning sides etc.) are replied the first games will begin. More people still needed in order to fill the eight slots available. -T