Fairbairn-Sykes

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Username: This whole thread is just a big waste as I have stated before. Lewis<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> duly noted, your Eminence. In fact, i feel a sudden enlightenment... all points of contention are worthless if not in accord with YOUR opinion. You have vanquished your foes - those who besmirch this Forum with their insolent demands for separate Bren teams - and the CM world is free of their tyranny.

Not truly an LMG?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brian Rock: Well done Trench Knife (even if your semi-colons seem to be in all the wrong places). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ahh, yes - how media-savvy you are...

So acrimonious, old chap!

That is a thing of beauty, when can i get it? My liege, if you please, send it my way: I can't wait until Manx has this up. pelishj@uswest.net [ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Fairbairn-Sykes Trench Knife ]

[Historical Reenactment Follows] MODERATOR NOTE: TOPIC EDITIED TO REMOVE VERY LARGE IMAGE FILE>>>> I felt compelled to point out the final outcome of Commonwealth involvement in the Second World War. BTS please fix or do Sum-fink!! [ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Madmatt ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Username: ...the brits dressed like they were in WWI and had nothing to squauk about but a mag fed foriegn designed LMG. Everything else being much the same as the great war. Lewis<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hard Coded. Can't be modded. I'd often wished for a better looking PIAT - to no avail. [ 08-22-2001: Message edited by: Fairbairn-Sykes Trench Knife ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rex_Bellator: AFAIK the sign used on most of the British mods is actually the Black Bull of the 11th Armoured Division which fought from Normandy to the end of the war.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> After further research I realize that this is correct. I would definitely enjoy using a BMP of the 11th armoured's Black Bull on the gold background for VL purposes. The majority of Ox & Bucks insignia (cap badge, shoulder flash & regimental flag) look like this: Ox & Bucks Insignia... I still would like a Brit Airborne "Pegasus" Victory Flag. Maximus??? Andrew??? [ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: Fairbairn-Sykes Trench Knife ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andrew Hedges: Both the Bren and BAR have 20 round clips, which limits the amount of suppressive fire that these guns can put out, even if a spare rifleman acts as a Bren loader. Nevertheless, the Bren did have a quick-change barrel, which would permit more sustained fire. The Bren is slightly heavier than the BAR, too -- 23 vs. 19 lbs, I think. Oh, I don't think the absence of a separate Bren team has much effect at all; I have never had much use for the separate German LMG teams, and I would imagine that a separate Bren team would be even less useful. [ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: Andrew Hedges ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, guv'na, the Bren used a 30 ROUND CLIP. I'd try to use factual specs when attempting to support arguments that call the Bren an ineffective weapon. If this is your observation, i dare say you don't often use Commonwealth forces and have not read much about their deployment.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Aitken: The Germans have a light and a heavy. The US have two mediums and a heavy. The British only have a medium. There is not such a good argument for providing BAR teams, because the BAR is strictly an automatic rifle and a one-man weapon. The Bren is a light all-purpose machinegun.... So the question I would ask is, why is there no light machinegun team for Commonwealth troops in CM, while the other two main armies have an equivalent? [ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: David Aitken ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I believe this was stated in my first post. All the discussion centered on the "squad level" theory of exclusion misses these points - namely, that 2 to 3 man Bren teams were included in British TO&E and that the other combatants in CM have 2 to 3 man light and medium MG teams. This adds up to what i perceive as a slight on the modeling of available British Infantry LMG firepower that one can bring to the CM battlefield. The Vickers is not favourably modelled and the exclusion of separate Bren teams places the Commonwealth player at a loss for relatively inexpensive, mobile MG power.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simon Fox: Since the game currently allows splitting of squads it hardly seems inappropriate to suggest that in future the splitting occurs in a manner which more closely matches historical practice. Nor would that be particularly difficult since it would be only a variation of the current game. The current half-squads are somewhat brittle and the addition of a couple of bods to the maneuver element might add a bit of interest to those small scale games where platoons are quite important. It may not be as good as the utopia of every man modelled but that is a giant leap and this is a little step. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> i quite agree.

However, i'm sad to inform you that the Maroon Beret is strangely hard-coded and cannot be Modded ( in neither shape nor hue). I'd love some forest greens though...

D Company of the 2d Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry , a part of the Air Landing Brigade of the 6th Airborne Division (British Army) were the first Allied troops at Benouville Bridge and the Orne River Bridge (codenamed "Ham & Jam") later known as the Pegasus Bridge Operation. They were crack glider troops commanded by Major John Howard and they wore the Maroon Beret. However, the troops that eventually reinforced them - Lord Lovat's Commandos, wore green berets.

Manx? have you seen any? Clubfoot? I know you specialize in esoteric MODs :cool: ...

Nice BMPs. Throw a copy of the "Opulence MOD Pack" my way, please: pelishj@uswest.net Is the pool off-limits to enlisted men? I mean, are the pool tiles fords or "standard" water tiles? Either way, a fun little taste of eye candy to fight on...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brian: Getting back to the original point - Bren's. Personally, I'd like to see the game automaticly switch between two resolutions, one, for company sized games, would show individual men, rather than amortised sections. The second, would be for battalion sized games, and would look pretty much as it does now. The first would allow the proper manauvre and occupation of ground, while the latter would speed the moving of large numbers of pieces. The first would answer the calls of people who want to seperate their Brens and the latter satisfy those who don't.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I like this idea. Perhaps not something that's likely to occur soon, but a constructive thought nonetheless... Perhaps some will cry "Micro-mangement Pedantic Twit!" and throw insults... However, I would enjoy the possibilities in a company sized game...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simon Fox: ...seperately...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> As long as this has degenerated into a semantic/grammatical sniping duel... how do you spell that? I'd rather talk about the King's weapons than His English.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pak40: If you would get your wish of detachment of the BREN, then everyone else would want the detachment of the BAR and MG42. Then people might want their Thompsons and MP40s detached...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I certainly never advocated detachment of the BAR or any of the respective SMGs. I believe i indicated in my original post that i understand why CMBO does not model individuals; a 3 man team or 7 / 3 section split with no morale penalty was subsequently suggested - hence the discourse on historical usage of separate Bren teams.

I'm primarily referring to the black Ox on the yellow background that I see used as the vehicle unit sign. Perhaps you could point me to some pictures of the other insignia you mention. I wasn't aware of these different logos. Thanks for the reply.

Thanks for your prompt reply, Michael. A 3 man team sounds quite reasonable for CM purposes. Off the top of my head, I have several books published by Osprey (perhaps you dispute these books' quality), among them, "Army Commandos" and "Tobruk 1941", in which Bren teams are used apart from sections - often in defense - mounted on bi/tri-pods. Full strength rifle squads would then certainly be around to cover their backs. "Brazen Chariots" (concerning Crete), which i don't own but have read, also mentions this deployment. Perhaps it is more rare than i had thought. In a slightly unrelated note, several photos i've seen depict the Bren on an anti-aircraft mount (tri-pod) being fired (by a two man team) at low flying planes and gliders. My feeling regarding morale penalties was contingent upon the availability of the Bren team as a separate unit (to be purchased under the current Support heading). If this were possible i don't see why a morale penalty should be incurred (if the team starts out as a separate unit - it does not warrant the morale hit). I'm aware that the Bren was the heart of the British section (the other men in the sect. all carried ammo for it) and splitting the section would rightly carry the penalty. However, that is not my intent.

Okay, this is an eye-candy request, and i need to get a scanner and do it myself, but, doesn't anyone have a BMP for the Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry that would fit on a Victory Flag? It would really bring a tear to my eye to see it in AAR maps... I've got a really nice Mod pack with Panzer Division insignias for VLs (and unit info windows) but i've yet to see any for Commonwealth Divisions. I'd also really like to see a British Airborne insignia (sky blue Bellerophon riding Pegasus on a Maroon background) BMP suitable for Victory Flags... I know the DFDR guys must have somethin'... Thanks in advance.

Apropos the recent Lee Enfield and 25 pounder bashing: I was curious as to the reasoning behind the conspicuous absence of the Bren (from purchase as a support weapon). After recently reading "The 6th Airborne Div. in Normandy", "By Air to Battle", & "Red Berets into Normandy" i'd like to be able to position Bren guns apart from their sections. I'm well aware that i could split sections and place the half with the Bren where i'd like, but then i'd suffer the morale penalties inherent to split squads. I also realize i could purchase more Bren carriers and use them as i would individual Bren teams - but that's not what i'm looking for. As a frequent player of Commonwealth forces, i've really wondered about this. Obviously CMBO is a closed book, but maybe for the North African/Med theatre this could be considered. Certainly one can purchase the LMG42 and the M1919A4 .30cal (M1919 really an MMG, i know) separately when using Kraut & Yank forces. I know CM does not track individual soldiers so perhaps it could have been included as a 2 man team, as with 2" mortars or PIATs. Before the flames fly: i've searched using key word combinations such as Bren, Bren LMG, & Bren gun (but only come up with threads that discuss its great accuracy and beloved place in the British TO&E) - i'd be happy if somebody pointed me to a thread that answered my question.