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    point cost for CMBS

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

    Posted · Edited by Vanir Ausf B

    1 hour ago, Larsen said:

    Taht is a direct way to compare unit. Otherwise is all super empirical and much more subjective.

    You said yourself that different sources give the cost of a T-90A as "1.5M to 3.5M". So does a M1A2 tank cost 6x T-90A or 2.5x? Who decides that and how is that not subjective?

    Wikipedia gives the unit cost of a M4A1 rifle as $700. What does Russia pay for an AK-74M? Wiki doesn't say.

    The unit cost of any manufactured item is also going to be influenced by how many of them are made because the R&D cost is spread over each unit and economies of scale. That has nothing to do with battlefield performance.

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    T-90

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    3 hours ago, Larsen said:

    That could be because there are some new shells that offer increased penetration.

    It's called 3BM59 Svinets-1, and all Russian tanks in CMBS use it, which is overly optimistic since it wouldn't fit in the T-72 or T-90A autoloader.

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    T-90

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    Ok, thanks. Maybe it will get in.

    But don't hold your breath for the 2A82-1M. There are a lot of conflicting sources on that.

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_tank_heavy_armoured_vehicles_u/t-90m_model_2017_mbt_main_battle_tank_technical_data_sheet.html

    "The main armament of the T-90M Model 2017 Proryv-3 consists of one 125 mm 2A46M-4 smoothbore gun"

    http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t90m.htm

    "The T-90M is armed with a new 2A46M-4 gun"

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    point cost for CMBS

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    2 minutes ago, Larsen said:

    So you spend 400 points to watch the battlefield. It has an advantages of course but for pretty much the same price you can get T-90A.

    400 points for an unkillable spy in the sky is a bargain, IMO. In my Black Sea-PBEMing days we banned them from QBs.

    2 minutes ago, Larsen said:

    Well, the US stuff is more expensive all around. It is also better. Who buys trucks in QBs? For Russian I think hey are useful as they carry extra HE shells for mortars. Not sure what the US side uses them. 

    I think that Tunguska is underpriced too. The wiki gives a unit cost of $16M. That is about twice as much as M1A2. And that might feel like too much but Tunguska basically leaves the US side without any way to use drones or air power. 

    If you made Tunguskas cost 1300 points I doubt anyone would ever buy one, although they probably are underpriced currently.

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    T-90

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    9 minutes ago, Larsen said:

    I saw a report somewhere that the first 10 unites were delivered in 2017. I can again look for the article if BCF really would take a note.

    Yes. See if you can find that.

    There are lots of things in the game that were "speculative" that did not pan out in reality. Those units can't be removed, unfortunately. But my impression is that they are nevertheless not going to extend the time frame beyond 2017. So Ukraine will probably not get Javelins because they didn't until 2018.

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    point cost for CMBS

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

    Posted · Edited by Vanir Ausf B

    1.5M to 3.5M is a pretty big range.

    Try running your Stinger test against the Russian Zala drone.

    I tried looking up the cost of a Ural-4320 truck. I can't find what the Russian government pays for them, but in mint condition they go for $26,000. Per unit cost for a US FMTV A1R is $160,427. I think people may complain if US trucks cost 6 times Russian trucks 😚

    https://fourtankmen.com/why-ural-4320-is-the-best-russian-military-truck/

    http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2211.html

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    point cost for CMBS

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    I think there is no chance BFC will use dollar value of units for QB cost. It's not even a straightforward calculation. Do you adjust for purchase price parity? Do we use export cost or domestic procurement numbers? Do we even know what the Russian government pays for a T-90?

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    T-90

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    18 minutes ago, Larsen said:

    if that is the case then they got the gun wrong. The new gun on T-90M is the same gun they are installing on T-14. It is not 2A46M (L48). The new gun is 2A82-1M (which is eithe rL55 or L56 and offers better penetration).

    Do you have a source for that?

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    How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

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    Posted · Edited by Vanir Ausf B

    This is awkward.

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    Poland has said it will hand over its MiG-29 fighter jets to the US, in a move which appeared to take Washington by surprise and was quickly dismissed by the Pentagon.

    The Polish foreign minister, Zbigniew Rau, said his government was “ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MiG-29 jets to the Ramstein airbase and place them at the disposal of the government of the United States of America”.

    But the Pentagon appeared to reject the proposal, saying it was not “tenable”.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/08/poland-mig-29-jets-us-ukraine

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