Nabla

Hello everyone! I am not sure how we ended up in this situation, but I read from tournament homepage that Kingfish does not have the Nabla system executables in his use. To avoid situations like this I just created a homepage for Nabla system and added the precompiled binaries (DOS) and the source code there. See this thread for more information. Sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused.

Hello gentlemen! I have been absent from this community for quite a while. A lot has happened in my life, including the completion of my PhD and a change in workplace. Good for me, probably. While visiting the board shortly today I noticed that the person running the newest ROW tournament did not have the binaries for the tournament scheduling and scoring system carrying my name. This is probably my fault, since I think that I was contacted about this in the past. However, I had completely forgotten the issue. Now it is time to rectify my mistake. I have also decided to do a bit more in order to make sure that this never happens again: I will also provide the community with access to the source code of the system, so that basically anyone can compile the programs if needed. From now on, the Nabla system is available from this page. Enjoy the tournaments! [ March 21, 2004, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: Nabla ]

Yep, you're correct, bad choice of words on my behalf. Merry Christmas!

Having dug up that same information - about the training of combat engineers - from the original sources during the research on Finnish TO&E, and having relayed it over to BFC, I can tell you that 1. BFC knew that Finns had started to adopt a new doctrine 2. the decision to include combat engineers as small teams and not larger formations was deliberate. You may want to see the link in my signature for additional information.

Kanonier Reichmann: I think the size of the AAR reward should be different for different sections. Perhaps this can be discussed before the start of the next RoW tournament. Holien: Those who can't play teach scoring. Cpl Carrot: Very nice AARs. Sgt Abell: After watching TB shed blood, sweat and tears over earlier dropouts, I am very happy that we've come up with a reasonable solution to the problem.

Yes that is what the manual states for this ROW3 but what about ROW4 As I see the nabla system, you are scored against all 36 times a scenario is played. Not just the 3 times your group played it. so why not wild cards for next three highest ie The_Capt 0.52 Heavy_Drop 0.42 Jon_L 0.41 They have a higher final score than 4 of the finalists </font>

Another reason to implement AAR score calculations into the system as well.

Ummmm....I think you've just broken your resolution already! </font>

I edited away the warning that the results are still being cross-checked from my result post on previous page. As far as I know, the results found on previous page are the Nabla scores for this tournament (but AAR points are not included yet). I also arranged the scores according to sections, so you can now see directly who is eligible for playoffs if the AAR points do not change the ordering. (I will never admit it publicly - because I'm a graduate CS student - but I did it by hand.)

A couple of issues. First, as the tournament manual states, only section winners go into the finals. Holien: it is not fair to compare the results of players in different sections against each other, since they have played against different people - comparisons are only fair inside each section. In fact, the output of the scoring system could be improved so that it would output each section separately; currently it only gives one single big list (which is a bit misleading, I agree). Second, these are not the final results, because points from the AARs are not included. It is up to Kingfish to include AAR points, and then pick up section winners. Third, remember to check your battle results (the original CM scores) in that long list. Currently it seems like we have the right battle results there, but one never knows. [ May 27, 2003, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Nabla ]

Kingfish, Could you fix that one, and I'll run the scores again after that. It may even be that we'll have to wait until all players have checked their raw (battle) scores.

Then the scores of each scenario (players in alphabetical order, I admit that here too they should be sorted by score, but I won't change that tonight). I also added the medians and mean deviations for each scenario. Here asterisk (*) in front of a players name means that the player has been guilty of an unfinished game in this scenario. BTW, you seem to have had very balanced scenarios. </font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"># King_of_Debrecen Scenario [ King_of_Debrecen ] medians [ 54 46 ]. Scenario [ King_of_Debrecen ] deviation mean [ 10.7576 ]. Alexander -1.32 Bertram -1.21 Bimmer -0.39 Bryce_Baker 0.32 Capt_T 0.45 Chris_Martino -0.89 Combined_Arms 0.56 Cpl_Carrot 1.04 Cyrano 0.69 Deadly_88 -0.56 Dirty_Mark -0.17 Endit -0.39 Enoch -1.05 Fate -0.89 Flammenwerfer -0.51 Frenchy -0.78 Frunze 0.00 Gunnersman 0.87 Heavy_Drop 0.87 Holien 0.77 JPS 0.51 James_Crowley 0.66 Jaws 0.45 *Jeb -0.69 Joakim_Ruud -0.45 Joe_Cz 0.77 Jon_L 0.00 Juha_Ahoniemi 0.97 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.56 *Kevin_Kolk -0.69 Legend42 -1.79 Lord_Dragon 0.56 Lt_Bull 1.18 Major_Victory -0.97 Martyr -0.78 Matt_Green -0.25 Michael_Dorosh -0.56 Mick_Oz -0.89 MikeyDz 0.25 MrSpkr 0.39 Mr_Byte -0.82 Nidan1 -0.51 Nolloff 0.17 Pacestick 1.08 Pixelmaster -0.61 Ryddle 0.56 Scheer -0.74 Seahawk -0.17 SgtAbell 0.69 Sgt_CDAT 0.51 Sgt_Gold -0.66 Shock_Trooper 0.17 SlicerW 0.81 *Spacehamster 0.00 Spanish_Bombs 0.39 SpineRipper -0.45 Sripe 0.51 Stoneage 0.92 *Superslug 0.00 Tabpub -0.56 Ted 0.45 Tero -0.61 Texas_Toast -0.32 The_Capt 0.61 Three_Oh_Eight 0.61 U8Led 0.51 Vadr -0.51 WadePM 0.74 Wellsonian -0.51 a1Steaks -0.56 jjelinek -0.45 mPisi 0.87 # The_Beast Scenario [ The_Beast ] medians [ 51 49 ]. Scenario [ The_Beast ] deviation mean [ 11.3788 ]. Alexander -0.31 Bertram -1.16 Bimmer 0.24 Bryce_Baker 0.00 Capt_T 0.00 Chris_Martino -1.19 Combined_Arms 0.37 Cpl_Carrot 0.67 Cyrano -0.08 Deadly_88 1.02 Dirty_Mark 0.16 Endit -0.31 Enoch -0.24 Fate -1.28 Flammenwerfer -1.08 Frenchy -1.16 Frunze 0.81 Gunnersman -1.23 Heavy_Drop 1.07 Holien 1.02 JPS -0.16 James_Crowley 0.16 Jaws -0.16 Jeb 0.59 Joakim_Ruud -0.16 *Joe_Cz 0.00 Jon_L -0.59 Juha_Ahoniemi -0.37 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.16 *Kevin_Kolk -0.69 Legend42 -0.54 Lord_Dragon 0.31 Lt_Bull 0.63 Major_Victory -0.63 Martyr -0.16 Matt_Green -0.31 Michael_Dorosh -0.67 Mick_Oz 0.31 MikeyDz 0.78 MrSpkr -0.79 Mr_Byte -0.93 Nidan1 -1.04 Nolloff -0.71 Pacestick 1.05 Pixelmaster -0.31 *Ryddle 0.00 Scheer 0.59 Seahawk 0.08 SgtAbell 0.16 Sgt_CDAT 0.69 Sgt_Gold -0.59 Shock_Trooper 0.98 SlicerW 0.54 *Spacehamster 0.00 Spanish_Bombs -0.79 SpineRipper 1.02 Sripe 0.16 Stoneage 0.90 *Superslug 0.00 Tabpub 0.78 Ted 1.03 Tero -0.82 Texas_Toast -0.93 The_Capt -0.59 Three_Oh_Eight -0.16 U8Led 0.90 Vadr -1.16 WadePM 0.96 Wellsonian 0.71 a1Steaks 0.31 jjelinek 0.31 mPisi 0.59 # Hosszupalyi Scenario [ Hosszupalyi ] medians [ 44 56 ]. Scenario [ Hosszupalyi ] deviation mean [ 19.3143 ]. Alexander -0.66 Bertram 0.99 Bimmer 0.99 Bryce_Baker 0.70 Capt_T -0.86 Chris_Martino 0.66 Combined_Arms -1.01 Cpl_Carrot 0.35 Cyrano 0.00 Deadly_88 0.99 Dirty_Mark -0.31 Endit -0.58 Enoch 0.94 Fate 0.39 Flammenwerfer 0.79 Frenchy 0.31 Frunze 0.86 Gunnersman 0.35 Heavy_Drop -0.90 Holien 0.87 JPS 0.15 James_Crowley -0.28 Jaws -0.79 Jeb -0.88 Joakim_Ruud -1.14 Joe_Cz -1.10 Jon_L 1.04 Juha_Ahoniemi 0.73 Kanonier_Reichmann -0.35 Kevin_Kolk -0.58 Legend42 0.28 Lord_Dragon -0.58 Lt_Bull 0.75 Major_Victory -0.63 Martyr -1.10 Matt_Green 0.58 Michael_Dorosh -0.90 Mick_Oz -0.39 MikeyDz 0.58 MrSpkr 0.23 Mr_Byte -0.28 Nidan1 0.28 Nolloff 0.00 Pacestick 0.98 Pixelmaster -0.86 *Ryddle 0.00 Scheer -0.15 Seahawk 0.61 SgtAbell 0.10 Sgt_CDAT -0.61 Sgt_Gold 0.61 Shock_Trooper 1.01 SlicerW 0.63 *Spacehamster 0.00 Spanish_Bombs -0.73 SpineRipper -0.35 Sripe 0.31 Stoneage -0.75 Superslug -0.31 Tabpub -1.10 Ted -0.35 Tero -0.10 Texas_Toast 0.35 The_Capt 0.87 Three_Oh_Eight -1.20 U8Led -0.70 Vadr 0.84 WadePM -0.61 Wellsonian 0.58 a1Steaks -0.23 jjelinek -1.07 mPisi 0.84 # The_Christmas_Battle Scenario [ The_Christmas_Battle ] medians [ 54 46 ]. Scenario [ The_Christmas_Battle ] deviation mean [ 16.4516 ]. *Alexander 0.00 Bertram 0.94 Bimmer 0.32 Bryce_Baker 0.70 Capt_T -0.75 Chris_Martino 0.44 Combined_Arms -0.32 Cpl_Carrot 0.75 Cyrano -0.55 Deadly_88 1.08 Dirty_Mark 0.55 Endit -0.68 Enoch 0.00 *Fate 0.00 Flammenwerfer -0.12 Frenchy -0.55 Frunze 0.48 *Gunnersman 0.00 Heavy_Drop 0.27 Holien -0.98 JPS 0.84 James_Crowley 0.90 Jaws -0.55 *Jeb -0.69 Joakim_Ruud 0.12 *Joe_Cz 0.00 Jon_L 0.90 Juha_Ahoniemi -0.86 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.93 Kevin_Kolk 0.75 *Legend42 -0.69 Lord_Dragon -0.48 Lt_Bull 0.52 Major_Victory -0.59 Martyr -0.75 Matt_Green 0.68 Michael_Dorosh -1.01 Mick_Oz -0.55 MikeyDz 0.88 MrSpkr 0.48 Mr_Byte 0.59 Nidan1 0.12 Nolloff -0.75 Pacestick 0.62 *Pixelmaster 0.00 Ryddle 0.55 Scheer -0.93 Seahawk -0.88 SgtAbell -0.93 Sgt_CDAT 0.55 Sgt_Gold -0.12 Shock_Trooper 0.84 SlicerW -0.52 Spacehamster -1.32 Spanish_Bombs 0.00 SpineRipper 0.82 Sripe -0.86 Stoneage 0.69 *Superslug 0.00 Tabpub 0.84 Ted -0.62 Tero 0.69 Texas_Toast 0.75 The_Capt 0.55 Three_Oh_Eight -0.48 U8Led -0.83 Vadr -0.70 WadePM -0.86 Wellsonian 0.86 a1Steaks -0.91 jjelinek -0.44 mPisi -0.27 # Rearguard_Action Scenario [ Rearguard_Action ] medians [ 60 40 ]. Scenario [ Rearguard_Action ] deviation mean [ 16 ]. Alexander -0.06 Bertram -0.98 Bimmer -0.37 Bryce_Baker -0.23 Capt_T -0.69 Chris_Martino 0.17 Combined_Arms -0.23 Cpl_Carrot -1.74 Cyrano -0.12 Deadly_88 -0.06 Dirty_Mark -1.16 *Endit 0.00 Enoch 0.37 Fate -1.48 Flammenwerfer 1.02 Frenchy 0.00 Frunze 0.17 Gunnersman -0.77 Heavy_Drop 0.77 Holien 1.17 JPS 1.11 James_Crowley -0.93 Jaws 0.49 *Jeb -0.69 Joakim_Ruud 0.69 *Joe_Cz -0.69 Jon_L 0.69 Juha_Ahoniemi 0.37 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.93 *Kevin_Kolk -0.69 *Legend42 -0.69 Lord_Dragon 0.63 Lt_Bull 0.98 Major_Victory 0.69 Martyr 0.06 Matt_Green 0.32 Michael_Dorosh -0.06 Mick_Oz -1.69 MikeyDz -0.63 MrSpkr -0.32 Mr_Byte -1.08 Nidan1 0.23 Nolloff 0.66 Pacestick -0.17 Pixelmaster -0.77 Ryddle 0.69 Scheer -0.23 Seahawk 0.69 SgtAbell -0.17 Sgt_CDAT -0.66 Sgt_Gold -1.42 Shock_Trooper -0.49 SlicerW 0.00 Spacehamster 0.00 Spanish_Bombs 0.23 SpineRipper 0.23 Sripe -0.69 Stoneage 0.00 Superslug 0.06 Tabpub -0.37 Ted 0.06 Tero -0.69 Texas_Toast 0.53 The_Capt 1.12 Three_Oh_Eight 0.69 U8Led 0.69 Vadr -0.53 WadePM 0.89 Wellsonian 0.12 *a1Steaks 0.00 jjelinek 0.77 mPisi 1.17</pre>

Here you go, boys. This first post lists the Nabla scores of different players in the tournament (but note that AAR scores are not included). If the name of the player in the list begins with an asterisk (*), it means that he has been guilty in at least one unfinished game, and is not eligible for playoffs (not that this new rule makes any difference in this tournament, but still). EDIT: the results are now grouped in sections. Lt_Bull 0.81 Stoneage 0.35 SlicerW 0.29 Major_Victory -0.43 Mr_Byte -0.50 *Legend42 -0.69 Pacestick 0.71 Ted 0.12 *Gunnersman -0.16 Chris_Martino -0.16 jjelinek -0.18 *Alexander -0.47 mPisi 0.64 The_Capt 0.52 Heavy_Drop 0.42 *Pixelmaster -0.51 Mick_Oz -0.64 *Fate -0.65 Holien 0.57 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.45 Cpl_Carrot 0.22 Bertram -0.28 Martyr -0.55 Michael_Dorosh -0.64 Shock_Trooper 0.50 Flammenwerfer 0.02 Sripe -0.11 Jaws -0.11 Dirty_Mark -0.19 Joakim_Ruud -0.19 Deadly_88 0.49 *Ryddle 0.36 *Superslug -0.05 *Joe_Cz -0.20 *Spacehamster -0.26 Frenchy -0.43 JPS 0.49 WadePM 0.23 James_Crowley 0.10 Nidan1 -0.19 Scheer -0.29 Sgt_Gold -0.44 Frunze 0.47 Jon_L 0.41 SgtAbell -0.03 Three_Oh_Eight -0.11 Tero -0.31 *Jeb -0.47 MikeyDz 0.37 Matt_Green 0.20 Lord_Dragon 0.09 MrSpkr 0.00 *a1Steaks -0.28 *Endit -0.39 Wellsonian 0.35 Sgt_CDAT 0.10 Seahawk 0.06 Cyrano -0.01 Nolloff -0.13 *Kevin_Kolk -0.38 Bryce_Baker 0.30 SpineRipper 0.25 U8Led 0.11 Texas_Toast 0.08 Capt_T -0.37 Vadr -0.41 Juha_Ahoniemi 0.17 Bimmer 0.16 Enoch 0.01 Tabpub -0.08 Combined_Arms -0.12 Spanish_Bombs -0.18 [ May 27, 2003, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: Nabla ]

Ok, the errors were fixed by Kingfish. I will need to do some testing of the new features before this tournament can be scored. You should have the final results at the latest on Wednesday. By the way, as a teaser, I've already seen the end results, I just need to check that they're correct. EDIT: In the meanwhile, I want you to check the battle results I am using as input to the program. Note that the Allied player is always listed first! </font><blockquote>code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"># King_of_Debrecen Combined_Arms 62 Tabpub 38 Enoch 34 Juha_Ahoniemi 66 Spanish_Bombs 59 Bimmer 41 Holien 67 Martyr 33 Cpl_Carrot 78 Bertram 22 Kanonier_Reichmann 62 Michael_Dorosh 38 Ted 60 jjelinek 40 Gunnersman 70 Chris_Martino 30 Alexander 27 Pacestick 73 Fate 38 mPisi 62 Mick_Oz 38 Heavy_Drop 62 The_Capt 63 Pixelmaster 37 Vadr 47 U8Led 53 Texas_Toast 50 Bryce_Baker 50 Capt_T 60 SpineRipper 40 Frunze 54 Jon_L 46 Jeb G SgtAbell I Tero 45 Three_Oh_Eight 55 Matt_Green 51 MikeyDz 49 MrSpkr 59 Endit 41 Lord_Dragon 62 a1Steaks 38 JPS 61 Nidan1 39 WadePM 66 Scheer 34 Sgt_Gold 44 James_Crowley 56 Seahawk 52 Nolloff 48 Wellsonian 47 Sgt_CDAT 53 Kevin_Kolk G Cyrano I Mr_Byte 40 SlicerW 60 Major_Victory 36 Stoneage 64 Legend42 15 Lt_Bull 85 Joakim_Ruud 48 Jaws 52 Sripe 61 Flammenwerfer 39 Shock_Trooper 56 Dirty_Mark 44 Joe_Cz 67 Frenchy 33 Deadly_88 46 Ryddle 54 Superslug G Spacehamster G # The_Beast Combined_Arms 56 Juha_Ahoniemi 44 Tabpub 65 Spanish_Bombs 35 Bimmer 54 Enoch 46 Bertram 27 Holien 73 Cpl_Carrot 62 Michael_Dorosh 38 Martyr 49 Kanonier_Reichmann 51 Ted 76 Chris_Martino 24 jjelinek 55 Alexander 45 Pacestick 77 Gunnersman 23 mPisi 60 The_Capt 40 Fate 23 Heavy_Drop 76 Pixelmaster 47 Mick_Oz 53 U8Led 69 Texas_Toast 31 Vadr 27 SpineRipper 73 Capt_T 51 Bryce_Baker 49 Jeb 60 Jon_L 40 Tero 36 Frunze 64 SgtAbell 53 Three_Oh_Eight 47 MikeyDz 65 MrSpkr 35 Matt_Green 47 a1Steaks 53 Endit 47 Lord_Dragon 53 James_Crowley 53 JPS 47 Nidan1 30 WadePM 70 Sgt_Gold 42 Scheer 58 Cyrano 50 Seahawk 50 Nolloff 39 Wellsonian 61 Kevin_Kolk G Sgt_CDAT I Stoneage 69 Mr_Byte 31 Lt_Bull 61 Major_Victory 39 Legend42 43 SlicerW 57 Flammenwerfer 29 Shock_Trooper 71 Jaws 49 Sripe 51 Joakim_Ruud 49 Dirty_Mark 51 Deadly_88 75 Frenchy 25 Ryddle G Spacehamster G Joe_Cz G Superslug G # Hosszupalyi Enoch 78 Combined_Arms 22 Tabpub 6 Bimmer 94 Spanish_Bombs 23 Juha_Ahoniemi 77 Holien 73 Michael_Dorosh 27 Kanonier_Reichmann 36 Cpl_Carrot 64 Bertram 82 Martyr 18 Gunnersman 52 Ted 48 jjelinek 7 Pacestick 93 Alexander 26 Chris_Martino 74 The_Capt 73 Heavy_Drop 27 Mick_Oz 35 Fate 65 mPisi 71 Pixelmaster 29 Texas_Toast 52 SpineRipper 48 Capt_T 17 Vadr 83 U8Led 24 Bryce_Baker 76 Three_Oh_Eight 1 Jon_L 99 Frunze 72 Jeb 28 SgtAbell 46 Tero 54 MrSpkr 49 a1Steaks 51 Lord_Dragon 29 Matt_Green 71 MikeyDz 59 Endit 41 James_Crowley 38 Nidan1 62 WadePM 28 Sgt_Gold 72 JPS 47 Scheer 53 Seahawk 60 Sgt_CDAT 40 Cyrano 44 Nolloff 56 Wellsonian 59 Kevin_Kolk 41 Mr_Byte 38 Legend42 62 Lt_Bull 66 Stoneage 34 Major_Victory 27 SlicerW 73 Jaws 20 Flammenwerfer 80 Shock_Trooper 84 Joakim_Ruud 16 Sripe 51 Dirty_Mark 49 Joe_Cz 6 Deadly_88 94 Superslug 37 Frenchy 63 Spacehamster G Ryddle G # The_Christmas_Battle Bimmer 60 Combined_Arms 40 Enoch 54 Spanish_Bombs 46 Juha_Ahoniemi 31 Tabpub 69 Kanonier_Reichmann 82 Holien 18 Martyr 35 Cpl_Carrot 65 Michael_Dorosh 25 Bertram 75 Chris_Martino 63 jjelinek 37 Pacestick 68 Ted 32 Gunnersman G Alexander G Heavy_Drop 59 mPisi 41 Mick_Oz 42 The_Capt 58 Pixelmaster G Fate G Capt_T 35 Texas_Toast 65 SpineRipper 76 U8Led 24 Bryce_Baker 71 Vadr 29 Jon_L 80 SgtAbell 20 Frunze 64 Three_Oh_Eight 36 Tero I Jeb G a1Steaks 29 MikeyDz 71 Endit 38 Matt_Green 62 Lord_Dragon 44 MrSpkr 56 Nidan1 56 Sgt_Gold 44 WadePM 31 JPS 69 Scheer 28 James_Crowley 72 Wellsonian 78 Seahawk 22 Nolloff 35 Kevin_Kolk 65 Sgt_CDAT 66 Cyrano 34 SlicerW 43 Lt_Bull 57 Mr_Byte 67 Major_Victory 33 Stoneage I Legend42 G Flammenwerfer 52 Joakim_Ruud 48 Dirty_Mark 66 Jaws 34 Shock_Trooper 77 Sripe 23 Spacehamster 13 Deadly_88 87 Frenchy 42 Ryddle 58 Joe_Cz G Superslug G # Rearguard_Action Juha_Ahoniemi 67 Bimmer 33 Combined_Arms 56 Spanish_Bombs 44 Enoch 67 Tabpub 33 Kanonier_Reichmann 87 Bertram 13 Cpl_Carrot 4 Holien 96 Michael_Dorosh 59 Martyr 41 Chris_Martino 63 Pacestick 37 Ted 61 Alexander 39 Gunnersman 41 jjelinek 59 Heavy_Drop 79 Pixelmaster 21 Fate 14 The_Capt 86 Mick_Oz 6 mPisi 94 Vadr 49 Texas_Toast 51 Capt_T 44 U8Led 56 SpineRipper 64 Bryce_Baker 36 Jon_L 76 Tero 24 Frunze 63 SgtAbell 37 Jeb G Three_Oh_Eight I Lord_Dragon 74 MikeyDz 26 Matt_Green 66 MrSpkr 34 a1Steaks G Endit G Scheer 56 Nidan1 44 Sgt_Gold 16 JPS 84 WadePM 85 James_Crowley 15 Sgt_CDAT 45 Nolloff 55 Wellsonian 62 Cyrano 38 Seahawk I Kevin_Kolk G SlicerW 60 Stoneage 40 Mr_Byte 29 Lt_Bull 71 Legend42 G Major_Victory I Dirty_Mark 26 Flammenwerfer 74 Shock_Trooper 50 Jaws 50 Joakim_Ruud 76 Sripe 24 Deadly_88 59 Superslug 41 Frenchy 60 Spacehamster 40 Joe_Cz G Ryddle I</pre>

Now I've implemented the new features into the system: a Sunday well spent. But there are more errors - of a different type - in the scoring file I've obtained from Kingfish. I'll try to sort it out with him. Be patient, my friends.

Exactly.

Ok, I've got the new results now, the ones in which all unfinished games should be included (with the guilty and innocent tags). I've got a major ceremony (yes, that one) coming up in June, and I've got some arrangements to do during my spare time until Sunday. I'll start to program the solution on Sunday. The good thing is that I usually get addicted to programming once I start. The bad thing is that what I should really be doing, even on Sunday, is to be working on the introductory part of my thesis...

I don't remember the actual details of that tourney, but the results he posted were computed with the system we are using, so I don't think TB was using any special tricks. EDIT: Hmm, but it is true that the scores in that thread are not a consistent set of scores either (I tried running the scores posted by TB in the scoring program). So maybe he did do the computations by hand, although I doubt it. If only my memory were not Swiss cheese I would remember the way it was handled... It is of course possible to compute all the stuff by hand, and if any of you guys wants to do it, be my guest. All the necessary information is in the manual. I myself will eventually have to implement the unfinished battle feature into the system anyway, so I will direct my efforts there. Regarding the new feature we are implementing now, it was initially suggested by Treeburst in an email he sent to me, and I believe that TB also wrote the tournament manual. So we are doing things the way TB would have done them, and are following tournament rules to the letter. [ May 21, 2003, 05:58 AM: Message edited by: Nabla ]

A couple of clarifications. First, if you take a look at the the tournament manual (the first post in the first page of this thread), you will find a section titled "DROPOUTS, WITHDRAWALS, and MIAs". The way in which unfinished games are handled is explained there. Basically it says that whoever is the cause of the game not being finished will be the loser in that battle, regardless of whether he was winning or not in that game. In fact, determining who was winning or not requires knowledge of the balance of the game, for which you need to compute the median or some similar statistic. So, the W, L or T tag is not determined by the situation in the battlefield, but by the situation in the email exchange, so to speak. Actually, I think that the W, L, and T tags (invented by me) are a bit misleading, so let me change them on the fly. Let's in fact use only two tags: G and I. Tag G means guilty, I means innocent. Now, a player gets a G if he has caused a game to go unfinished. If both players have been the cause, or it can not be determined who has been the cause, then both players get the G tag. If only one player has been the cause, then the other player gets an I tag. Ok? Second, in its current form the system can not handle any unfinished games, in any form. What we are doing here is in fact an implementation of a new feature into the system - you'll be the first ones to enjoy this. It has become obvious that every tournament suffers from dropouts and unfinished games, so it is a very good thing that this new feature is implemented.

We're working on the problem. In the long run it is a very good thing that the system will be augmented so that it can handle dropouts. But this takes a bit of additional programming to do, so you will just have to wait for a while. Go out and enjoy the spring!

Hi again, We seem to have some inconsistencies in the scores regarding the number of battles that have taken place in different scenarios. I will contact Kingfish via email, but it may take a while before we can sort this out.

Hello everyone! I have the score files, sent to me by Kingfish, and I will process them this evening when I get back home. I will post the results here and also send them via email to Kingfish.

Ehem... A reply due a long time ago, but here goes anyway. Since January, or something like that, I have devoted all of my spare free time to my other favorite hobby, fly fishing. Unfortunately I just don't have the time for CM any more, at least not for the time being. When I was last visiting the board some time at the beginning of the year, Treeburst had just left the building, so to speak, because of the security leak in the RoW tournament. A quick search done a minute ago suggested that he has not come back. Fortunately I noticed that RoW III is still running. It makes me very happy to see that the time and effort we put into the development of the system has not been washed down the drain. I probably won't be visiting the board very frequently, but I can be contacted via email (see profile) at any time if necessary. Have fun, and keep running those nail-biting tournaments!

Hejsan!

See, that's what money does to people. Bored already. Seriously, find an expert. Someone here must know where to find one.