rocketman Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I had a shrek-team with a cover arc, facing along one side of a house to blast the first tank to pass by - or so was my idea... The other side of the house was covered by other units in order to keep the shrek-team safe. However, those units got suppressed, so a single tank snuck by on the wrong side of the house and promptly parked right behind the shrek, but didn't see it at first, and started to fire HE/MG at other units. The strange thing is that the shrek-team didn't even react to what was going on some 5m behind them, nor did they turn around to fire or to take cover in the nearby house. This doesn't seem very realistic. I understand that all situations can't be programmed for, but this seemed like a case when the cover arc/face commands where way to strict. Could it be the case that it is never expected to have units directly behind you and therefore the cover arc command remained. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Had the shrek team spotted the tank? How far away was the tank? Next time, hold down shift when you set the arc and you can set a circle. Then it doesnt matter which direction they come from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkWGriswold Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Half the time people are complaining that men shoot outside of their assigned cover arcs, the other half of the time people are complaining that their men should be shooting outside the cover arc for self preservation. You can't have it both ways. You specifically ordered your men to face one direction and shoot ONLY in that direction. What would have happened if you simply faced the shrek team the direction you wanted but didn't give them a cover arc? My guess is that they would have spotted the threat, turned, and taken it out. Next time don't use a cover arc. Problem solved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 It was just 5 meters behind them, but not spotted. But they MUST have heard its engine, MG and gun. Didn't know about the SHIFT-thing for a circle-arc. Will try that next time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 It was just 5 meters behind them, but not spotted. But they MUST have heard its engine, MG and gun. Then this has nothing to do with cover arcs at all, it has to do with spotting. Have a save you can send me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Spotting things behind is less likely than spotting things in front. What experience/motivation/leadership were the AT team? It just goes to show that there's a wide variation in potential behaviour, since there's been much wailing an gnashing of teeth about teams ignoring their fire restrictions... You may just have gotten unlucky. Private Winky (whispers): "Hey, TG, there's a tank right behind us!" Corporal "Tube Guy" Scranton (whispers): "I know, but the sarge said B-Team have our backs, so just watch your sector and let them do their job." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 Half the time people are complaining that men shoot outside of their assigned cover arcs, the other half of the time people are complaining that their men should be shooting outside the cover arc for self preservation. You can't have it both ways. You specifically ordered your men to face one direction and shoot ONLY in that direction. What would have happened if you simply faced the shrek team the direction you wanted but didn't give them a cover arc? My guess is that they would have spotted the threat, turned, and taken it out. Next time don't use a cover arc. Problem solved. I wasn't really complaining, just thought it was odd. I think there should be some parameter when facing a close imminent and lethal threat that would void the cover arc. But I agree that if you have an arc at 150 meters, they shouldn't take pot shots unless faced with grave danger. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 Then this has nothing to do with cover arcs at all, it has to do with spotting. Have a save you can send me? Unfortunately no save. I think spotting should have been achieved by sound if nothing else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 Spotting things behind is less likely than spotting things in front. What experience/motivation/leadership were the AT team? It just goes to show that there's a wide variation in potential behaviour, since there's been much wailing an gnashing of teeth about teams ignoring their fire restrictions... You may just have gotten unlucky. Private Winky (whispers): "Hey, TG, there's a tank right behind us!" Corporal "Tube Guy" Scranton (whispers): "I know, but the sarge said B-Team have our backs, so just watch your sector and let them do their job." Can't remember their experience/motivation/leadership, but I guess an AT team should be on the lookout especially for tanks, the sound of them or their guns. I'm chalking this up to a severe case of bad luck and an extreme situation that the game didn't handle all that well. But then again, it is a game - and a damn fine one too. +1 for the dialogue! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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