Cambronne Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Why is the captured Russian Pz.V A(early) significantly cheaper than the German one??? They seem to have identical capabilities,even the Russian one may have some extra tungsten rounds.So where is the "price" gap coming from? Would a battle with the same number of this vehicle on every side be unbalanced??? On the same note,generally a tank bought for the German side is more expensive than the same tank bought for the Russian side(of course I'm talking about the captured vehicles which are present in both armies). Even more,the same tank in the same army has different cost points all the way from 1941 to 1945.For example,the conscript Matilda 2 in august'42 is 54 pts. but in august '43 the cost is 69 pts.Any clues?? Maybe I don't see anything... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Because, they are run by Russian crews...Nuf said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambronne Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 ha!The German conscripts are better than the Russian conscripts?? By this,CMBB seems to confirm the racist nazy theory. :confused: ...just joking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I think its more expensive, because of the availability of the Panther in Russian service, and crew quality-ex. slower reaction times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambronne Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 hm,I t think that the cost is related to weapon effectiveness not to the availability in the field.I also thought that conscripts are conscripts for every side(ie the German conscripts have the same reaction time as the Soviets conscripts). With all these I still cannot imagine how the same tank can have different values for each side.And more,how a tank in the same army can be bore expensive than the same tank 1 yr ago..? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Its not clear from your post if you have turned rarity off. I assume you have - otherwise the answer is self-evident : ) Changes in shot performance for the Matild's 2pdr might explain that case. However what BF have done to vehicle costs may be a little opaque as I think there is a degree of fudging that goes on. If you think that weird bear in mind that the percentage you can spend on artillery changes not at all during the war in CMBB & CMAK. Given all the other arms increase in fighting value artillery becomes less and less value ... : ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Cambronne, With the rarity value of "Normal" in July 1944 the German Panther A (early) is 302 points (with a 30% rarity value - newer models are available), and the Russian captured Panther A (early) is 525 points (rarity value of 150% - captured/reused gear is always more expensive). I think that having the rarity value turned "Off" skews the relative values off. King Tigers should not only be expensive because of their defensive/offensive capabilities but also because only a few hundred were made compared to thousands of Pz IV's. Anyway, that's my opinion. DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww2steel Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Matilda gets HE in Apr'43 (at least in AK, haven't rechecked BB), causing a sharp rise in points. Many units change pre-rarity point values regularly in the game due to things like changes in command times, ammo type introductions or changes. That's actually all I can think of right off. Looking at my CMBB Panther info: DE - 239 DL - 235 AE - 233 AL - 241-238 (change in Mar'44, I forget why) GE - 234 GL - 238 RP - 201-210 (Jan'44 command lag from 21 to 12 secs, I think) Differences are hull quality, optics, skirts, trap, higher chance for some types to immobilize (Ds and Gs), etc. I have done extensive tests on things like the trap and immobilization. The German Panthers are much lower rarity, averaging around 40 or so, the Russian is always 150. Taking that into account, in a QB the Russian Panther is usually 315 points, always more than some type of German Panther. Hope this helps, Mike 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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