Guest Mike Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Yep - and then it gets shattered when the real world intervenes, and leaves it's followers wondering if "god" has forsaken them nd all that stuff. Faith is one of the most dangerous human characteristics there is. Liam there are few axioms precisely because they are axioms - they are the fundamental and (so far at least) - the PROVEABLE bases of science. If they were not proveable thenm they would be theories. that's axiomatic!! Hence of course they are not a great "part" of scientific endeavour - what is there to do with them except apply them?? Ancient Greeks may have had axioms - since we get eth word from them after all - but they did not have scientific axioms as we define them today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 One begs to differ Stalin, When that young Black Male is considering using a gun and his Father walks in and tells him his Sister missed him Church Today. Or that Devoted Catholic Woman has faith and though she suffers from A Liver Disease she continues to care for 6 kids well past what is humanly possible. On the Reverse side of the coin a lot of death and Mayhem was caused in the name of religion. However, look at the Atomic Bomb, more death will be caused in the name of Science and in the end people 50 or 70 years ago had less God then people 1,000 years ago. Who was more likely to cause an end to Earth? Or Civilization as we know it... The godless Folk we've become As far as Scientific Debate you've got me, I'm a laymen with religious and political debate but a C Student in Science Originally posted by Stalin's Organist: Yep - and then it gets shattered when the real world intervenes, and leaves it's followers wondering if "god" has forsaken them nd all that stuff. Faith is one of the most dangerous human characteristics there is. Liam there are few axioms precisely because they are axioms - they are the fundamental and (so far at least) - the PROVEABLE bases of science. If they were not proveable thenm they would be theories. that's axiomatic!! Hence of course they are not a great "part" of scientific endeavour - what is there to do with them except apply them?? Ancient Greeks may have had axioms - since we get eth word from them after all - but they did not have scientific axioms as we define them today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 There are certainly individual cases where "faith" seems to have performed miracles - but one has to ask if it's true? did the ybm simply start believing, or was there help there for him to overcome his problem? And clearly that sick catholic woman is not performing what is beyond humanly possible because she is human and performing it. Certainly people get inspired to perform unusual feats, or make changes in their lives for all sorts of reasons. Faith is often a factor, but it is never the only one, and for every case where it does good there's a religous nutter using it to justify a lynching or a bombing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Great question asked by a dude: What is truth? You gotta put Faith in the truth, not lies. The rejection of the Faith because of a hijacker of the Faith, is foolish. Faith can't be stolen by frauds. If one rejects the truth, because of those claiming to be of the truth, that is just bad reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Faithless also can lead to a downfall. Belief in nothing. Atheism is a perfect drug to say, When I die it really doesn't matter, who cares, I'm not going to pay for it. When it is possible you will pay for what you do in this world. Whatever Divine Creator placed you here, it wasn't to be critical or negative and self-defeatist. Be Positive and Helpful to other lost human creatures, you'll not destroy the Earth with such talk or such desire. it's Human and it's Pure A basic down to earth philosphy and a basic goodness to all will find you a way out of the Dark that is inevitably in command of our species. We're self destructive, we have the capability to end the world and we have nearly done it many times in the past century. Becoming lost in Rhetoric, or Science or selfishness will lose you. You'll use up Earth and she'll Genocide your Race and Soul. As with the Dinasours, Master's of the Planet and now us, shortlived with our Dominion. Love her and she'll give you a bounty and possibly a way to survive for as long as the Universe what is truly Godsounding in that ? I think it's basic, down to earth and hits home with all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Goto the Whatever (as Liam states), but beware there are many false whatevers. You seek which you do not know, a mystery unto the world. The Unknown will call, gathering onto the great white harvest, oh see the whitened fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Liam your aregument presupposes a divine creator placing us here - that's a bit circular And Earth doesn't give a rotund rodent's rectum for humanity. Earth will still be here long after we join the fossil record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Stalin's Organist, perhaps perhaps. Noone really know's, or maybe they do but you'd have to be greater than an average human to know, which you're not aspiring for so you'll never know. All life has is precious. Also very rare as far as I can tell we're 1 in how many Orbs? Odds are, hard to say and we're are Earth. We're Stardust so we're part of this Earth in form of a Rodent as much as any other, we have Right to this World. Since when we return to it we'll be part of it until Eternity or a Comet crashes in and spreads us out to another world? We are Energy and Energy Never dies merely changes Originally posted by Stalin's Organist: Liam your aregument presupposes a divine creator placing us here - that's a bit circular And Earth doesn't give a rotund rodent's rectum for humanity. Earth will still be here long after we join the fossil record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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