Makes The Jelly Judder Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Just wondering. Fighter/Bombers still seem a bit too unreliable. They either destroy loads of units or nothing (Or worse some of your own units). I Played a quick battle (Imported Map) recently where I bought a Russian Petlakov Pe-2FT, the plane flew on and dropped all its bombs (can't remember if it does two bombing runs or just 1, but it carries 8 550lb bombs!) in a dead straight line down a road and accross a bridge in a town. The bridge blew up with about four enemy tanks on it, plus some on either side of the bridge crossing at fords. In total it took out about 8 enemy tanks and 6 of my own plus I had a company of infantry in the top floor's of the buildigs dotted around (They weren't too bunched up, the planes' bombs fell inline for about 300 meters) plus some German infantry all got wiped out. I know this is an extreme example but thats nearly 2000 points worth of damage done by the plane. To top it all off a stuka turned up a couple of turns later and took out its own sides last tank! So does anyone use them in quick battles? Some times the strafing types can be real cheap. Also there's a German fighter bomber avalaible in June 1941 recorded as having 2 1100lb bombs and 4 110lb bombs. Is this right? should not the "and" be an "or", even then 2 1100lb bombs? [ November 26, 2002, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: Makes The Jelly Judder ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I've been afraid to since one of my Stukas put an end to my carefully crafted attack. CM more than adequately makes the point that CAS was risky business in WW II. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I imagine the German aircraft is a Bf110-F or -G model. The E models were capable of carrying up to 2000kg in bombs of varying sizes, so no, I don't think it's a typo. Edited: found a reference: http://www.214th.com/ww2/germany/me110/ reckons they could carry 2 x 1100lbers and had optional racks for 4 x 110 lbers. As for the Pe-2 - well........it was used for dive bombing, but probably not as streeply as a Stuka so not as accurate. As a single more-or-less-level bomber be thankful it hit anything belonging to the enemy at all!! [ November 26, 2002, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: Mike ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I've used them to great (and not so great) affect. One thing I've started doing is almost always buying AA assets, can't be too careful! BTW, what was the map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusB Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 To me they more resemble a random disaster than a part of a tactical game. You just purchase them, and hope they blow up large chunks of the enemy, not gamey enough for me. Now if we could purchase "power-ups"... :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Random power ups! In some ways aircraft are like that. I occasionally buy them and I usually buy an AA or two to protect myself from them Very useful or nada. I still like the idea of buying Air target TRP and targeting terrain features, which was done in WW II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I'll still underline that the Shturmoviks are freakin' flying demons. When I'm playing Axis, there's at least a 75% probability that them ground attack planes knock out one or more of my vehicles. Not only that, but they're seemingly impregnable to even 37mm flak fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou2000 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I have used aircraft in a few battles .. against the AI and also PBEM's .... only ever had a few problems ... but when they work, they work good ! What I would like is an option to specify an attack window for the aircraft during the setup phase. For example - No air attacks before turn # or No air attacks after turn # (with a +/- variable) This would allow the player a small degree of control, without micro-managing the air attacks and without being able to say " I want it now". Then I could at least approach an objective with some confidence that im not gonna get cut up by my own aircraft Lou2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Lou2000 makes a good point. Sometimes, the actual arrival time of the air mission is truly erratic. I've had the aforementioned Shturmoviks arriving at turn 2, or Stukas at turn 19, when all armor / other targets of tactical value have done their damage already. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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