Barticus Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Minor spoilers inside; . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . So, after a week of playing CMBB, I have come to TRULY appreciate(fear) any German vehicle mounting this gun. OK, so the number of AFV's is limited to the Panther and the Jagdpanzer IV/70, but lord have mercy, that's two vehicles too many. In CMBO, I viewed the Panther as a 'nice' tank to have on your side, but the weak side armour reduced it's effectiveness overall, and I preferred the Tiger. If you combine this gun with the new German optics rules, steppe terrain, and large maps, the Panther truly comes into it's own. I have played the Magnuszew (sp?) Bridgehead operation and the Jagdmeister scenario from both sides several times now, and the deciding factor in both are the Panther and it's gun, or at least it seems that way to me. NOTHING in the Russian arsenal has the front armour to deal with it! I except the JS III and SU-100 which I have not yet had the chance to test. In Jagdmeister, I lost 4 JS-2's in 15 seconds to a combined 6 hits from the 75L70 FROM THE FRONT, WHILE HULL DOWN! In the Bridgehead operation, there is a nice hill on the German left that commands a very large portion of the battlefield. As the Germans, by the fourth or fifth scenario when you get a platoon of Jagdpanzer IV/70's as reinforcement, I still had 3 Panthers operational and that hill is where I sited all seven vehicles. When the AI setup the Russians across the board, it took all of about 30 seconds to kill eight T-34's, leaving one that got to cover in time. Incredible. Anyway, I will have to develop tactics specifically to deal with the Panther, probably using T-34's and their speed for flanking maneuvers. Thanks for letting me vent. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apex Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 You think the 75mm/L70 is evil? Try the 88mm/L71 apex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nippy Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 "Anyway, I will have to develop tactics specifically to deal with the Panther, probably using T-34's and their speed for flanking maneuvers." Smoke Missions my friend. Plan on using lots of 76.2mm spotters to lay down a ton of smoke to cover your advance. Otherwise get ready to say hello to Mr 88... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 How bout the 128mm thingy on the Jagdtiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Forget those, I will take the 75mm L/48 any day! Yes those ones are better, but they also come with a big price tag. I love the StuG's, and they are much cheaper! Slow, and turretless, but they can be used very effectivly in conjunction with turreted tanks. Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agua Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Originally posted by Barticus: In Jagdmeister, I lost 4 JS-2's in 15 seconds to a combined 6 hits from the 75L70 FROM THE FRONT, WHILE HULL DOWN!Try the shoot and scoot command combined with narrow cover armour arcs. Those ten ISIIs took out every Panther and Tiger on the map for me at a loss of only two units when I tried that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barticus Posted October 11, 2002 Author Share Posted October 11, 2002 Yes, yes, valid points all.....but; I prefer to play custom scenarios, and most scenario authours don't usually give you enough light artillery to lay down a really effective smoke screen. The 88L71 and 128mm gun on the Jagdtiger are both fearsome weapons, but their superiority is only really apparent at longer ranges, say over 1.5 km, and their rate of fire is much less than the 75L70. The 75L48 is a very nice gun too, and there certainly are alot of them, but with most of those vehicles, I can usually kill what's mounting them without too much difficulty. Both the Panther and the Jgdpnz IV/70 shed 76mm and 85mm shells like a duck sheds water. Time to start playing with the SU series of SPG's and see what I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barticus Posted October 11, 2002 Author Share Posted October 11, 2002 Originally posted by Agua: Try the shoot and scoot command combined with narrow cover armour arcs. Those ten ISIIs took out every Panther and Tiger on the map for me at a loss of only two units when I tried that scenario.Yes, I have come to the conclusion that this is what I will have to do. I tried it with the ISU-152's in that scneario, and the two of them KO'd the Tigers pretty quickly. Unfortunately, the Panthers had line of sight too, and were quicker on the draw. The Russians lost out....again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Originally posted by Captain Wacky: How bout the 128mm thingy on the Jagdtiger Have you seen the towed 128mm?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire-fox Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 can you say tin-opener/FUBAR.... :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Originally posted by Silvio Manuel: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Captain Wacky: How bout the 128mm thingy on the Jagdtiger Have you seen the towed 128mm?!! </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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