Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 10, 2000 Share Posted July 10, 2000 Working on a new one, "A Second Job," US Combat Engineers and Panzer Grenadiers having a go at it with attacks from either end of the town at the same time. Vossenack is in the Hurtgen Forest area, near the Kall Gorge. This was quite a fight and so it is in the scenario. Of particular interest was the reinforcing German armor that charged down the street. With all US Armor creamed, it looked grim. It just so happened, however, in the fortunes of war, that the German armor went in without infantry support. They suddenly found themselves in a nest of American engineers. Guys, you gotta believe that satchel charges began flying. Boom! Panther knocked out, crew never had a chance. A StugIII slammed into reverse and began looking for a way out! The SdKfz 7 Flak gun quickly crossed the street to avoid the satchels. Hiding in a doorway was another squad of engineers, with even another in the building in front of the vehicle. The gun carriage began to rotate frantically, uncertain as to its target. Ah, another satchel charge...slides under the AFV. Another "BOOM" The engineers, like old CE, smile and say, C'mon, make my day" Gotta love this game! I sent old Madmatt some screen shots of this little encounter. Its pretty cool. ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Posted July 10, 2000 Share Posted July 10, 2000 Sounds cool WBW!...If it's up to your usual standards then it should be fun! ------------------ COMBAT MISSIONS- The Source For CM Ops & Scenarios WWW.COMBATMISSIONS.CO.UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 10, 2000 Author Share Posted July 10, 2000 Thanks, Manx. You are kind. It has been fun. This is the most in-city fighting I've seen in CM. It is a very different battle. As I test it, I have, in addition to the clautrophobic feel of buildings close in, the terrible dread of what I might find in the next one (building). The game shows this very well, in my opinion. You wouldn't want every scenario to be like this, but it is quite a change...and a challenge to boot. Hope to have a new one for your great CM site very soon...Nice job there, by the way! ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevetherat Posted July 10, 2000 Share Posted July 10, 2000 hey there WBW can you post some sreenshots to me please? sounds like a great encounter (for the CE's anyway!). what is your best research resource for finding these things out anyway? you seem to be right in the thick of it in the war stories stakes. humbly, Steve therat@thelair.co.uk ------------------ You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run... The Gambler therat@thelair.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEF BUNGIS Posted July 10, 2000 Share Posted July 10, 2000 Oh goody! Blood baths are my favorite! ------------------ Better to make the wrong decision than be the sorry son of a bitch to scared to make one at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 Here is a list to get you going, Steve. These are some good source books for battles with CM. Books for Ideas for Scenarios – Combat Mission - Beyond Overlord The US Army in World War II Series, publisher: US Govt Printing Office Cross Channel Attack Breakout and Pursuit Siegfried Line Riviera to the Rhine Lorraine Campaign Battle of the Bulge The Last Offensive GENERAL There’s a War to be Won, Perret Delivered from Evil, Leckie Heroes of World War II, Murphy Battles and Battlescenes from WW2 Daring to Win, Eshel Bravery in Battle, Eshel Tank Aces, Zumbro Tank Aces, Forty Iron Cavalry, Zumbro Tank Commanders, Forty Clash of Chariots, Donnely and Naylor D-Day Operation Overlord Series (4), Order of Battle, Christopher Chant, editor Swords and Plowshares, Maxwell D. Taylor The 101st Airborne at Normandy, Bando Band of Brothers, Ambrose Overlord, Hastings D-Day, Ambrose NORMANDY Panzertruppen II, Jentz Churchill’s Desert Rats-Normandy to Berlin, Delaforce Invasion! They’re Coming, Carell Panzers in Normandy, Then and Now, Lefevre Normandy, Essame Death Traps, Cooper Beyond the Beachhead, Balkoski Six Armies in Normandy, Keegan Steel Inferno, Reynolds The 12th SS Panzer Division, Walther The Blood Soaked Soil, Williamson Hell on Wheels, Houston Strike Swiftly, Jensen FRANCE The View from the Turret, Folkestad St. Lo, Us Army Historical Division The Clay Pigeons of St. Lo, Johns Against the Panzers, Karamales MARKET GARDEN-WEST WALL Operation Dragoon, Bruer Death of a Nazi Army, Bruer August, 1944, Miller A Bridge too Far, Ryan Division Commander, Miller THE ARDENNES A Dark and Bloody Ground, Miller Battle of the Bulge, Parker Bastogne, the First Eight Days, Marshall Hitler’s Last Gamble, Dupuy The Devil’s Adjutant, Reynolds A Time for Trumpets, MacDonald A Blood Dimmed Tide, Astor Bastogne and the Ardennes Offensive, Arend FINAL BATTLES Battle of the Ruhr Pocket, Whiting One More River, Allen These have all proven to be a big help to me. ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SS Peiper Posted July 11, 2000 Share Posted July 11, 2000 Hey Bill did you read "Armor Battles of the Waffen SS 1943-45" by Will Fey and "Panzer Aces" by Franz Kurowski? Some great stories about Tank battles for CM. SS Peiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 No I have not had the privilege, SSP. But I have the titles written down and am going to look for them. Thanks for the headsup. Steve, I think Madmatt is going to post that series on the scenario, its called, "Cornered". If not, I'll send 'em to you. I know other folks might not be interested, but I'll make sure you get 'em. Pretty cool..================ ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 Hey SS, are those Schiffer books? (Ouch!) Probably... ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SS Peiper Posted July 11, 2000 Share Posted July 11, 2000 Wild Bill they are from J.J. Fedorowicz Publishing you can find them at Eastern Front books http://www.sonic.net/~bstone/eastfront/ and or http://www.rzm.com/main/main.cfm SS Peiper can you send me the Scen also? MikeNascar@aol.com Mike aka SS Peiper [This message has been edited by SS Peiper (edited 07-10-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 Thanks. I'll check on these, Mike. I can send it. I don't feel its quite ready yet. Needs some more testing. Want to give it a test drive? Let me know, please ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SS Peiper Posted July 11, 2000 Share Posted July 11, 2000 Yea I'll give it a shot I never play tested a scen before but I'll let you know how it goes SS Peiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 Play it as you would any scenario. Just look for problems (for some that is the only way to play ) Seriously, I'll send you a guide sheet. On the way in a sec. Thanks, Mike! ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperscope Posted July 11, 2000 Share Posted July 11, 2000 Hey Wild Bill. SS Peiper is my brother, please send me the scenario also. I will play test it as a PBEM with him. We have been war gaming against each other for years. sniperscope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted July 11, 2000 Share Posted July 11, 2000 Add to scenario booklist (especially pertinent to this scenario you're building). Three Battles: Arnaville, Altuzzo, and Schmidt. By Charles B. MacDonald and Sidney T. Matthews. It's published by the Center for Military History, and comes with topo maps and aerial photos. A truly wonderful resource. Mark ------------------ Scouts Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 Yes, I have that one, Shep and it is a great book for small unit actions, ideal for CM. In fact, I think one of the scenarios on the CD was done by Terry Simo on one of these battles. ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 Thanks Sniper. It should be there by now. I appreciate it.. ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted July 11, 2000 Share Posted July 11, 2000 The Schmidt section alone in Three Battles easily has enough info for a dozen scenarios (scenario pack idea?). Schmidt was such an epic battle, yet it doesn't get the ink the others do, because it was an American blunder and failure. Perhaps the one triumph of the Schmidt fiasco was that the Bloody Bucket guys who survived knew everything there was to know about defending an isolated town against overwhelming odds. That knowledge was put to great use at Marnach and Clervaux, and was crucial in saving Bastogne. Mark ------------------ Scouts Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 11, 2000 Author Share Posted July 11, 2000 The whole Hurtgen Operation in hindsight was a disaster. Apparently it could have been bypassed or so say some historians. It was lost somewhere in the hoopla of Market Garden and the Bulge, but it was a time as dark as those menacing forests for the unfortunates who found themselves there. ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevetherat Posted July 12, 2000 Share Posted July 12, 2000 Holy jesus WBW! That's like a whole library! It's gonna take me a while to get through that lot (not to mention the fortune they're gonna cost to buy!) Cheers though! Steve ------------------ You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run... The Gambler therat@thelair.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironcross Posted July 12, 2000 Share Posted July 12, 2000 if possible,id like to try that scenario out,maybe pick up some tips for my arnhem operation thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 12, 2000 Author Share Posted July 12, 2000 I believe that, Steve. Try Amazon.com. If there are discount, they have them. If you are a serious collector, I do strongly recommend the US Army in WW2 series from the US Government. The National Historical Society offers them a volume a month for about $25. These are the classics, most written by Charles McDonald, official US Army historian for many years. He was also the author of "A Time for Trumpets"(The Bulge - he was there) and "Company Commander." And if you wish, I'll make you a smaller selection of "I need these to get going" books. Let me know... ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevetherat Posted July 12, 2000 Share Posted July 12, 2000 thanks WBW, but I have a cunning plan... there are squillions of you US historian blokes, so another one, especially one starting at nearly the beginning, will have nothing new to offer. what I propose is to research the UK and Commonwealth army division by division. as I live in the UK, research materials are easier to come by. watch out for brit oriented scenarios (in about 5 years time!) Steve ------------------ You have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run... The Gambler therat@thelair.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted July 12, 2000 Author Share Posted July 12, 2000 Sadly that is the case. What is interesting is that some of the best authors on American military history are British Authors. A few of my favorites. Bryan Perrett, John Keegan, Max Hastings and George Forty (is he British...not sure). Your reference books have always overwhelmed with their depth and detail. Great authors and great books. God help me if I ever get over to the isles, I'll go broke buying books ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester/Designer Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grunto Posted July 13, 2000 Share Posted July 13, 2000 -The Devil’s Adjutant, Reynolds- another one by Reynolds with some potential scenario material is "Men of Steel, 1st SS Panzer Corps." I happen to be reading that and am seeing several possibilities...if it was already in your list but i missed it consider this an additional recommendation. andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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