Yggdrasill Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Can anyone point me a list of delay times for various calibers/types of artillery, for both allies and axis? I'm sure something like this has been posted before (probably often) on the boards. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyched Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 If you scroll down on this very same message board to the post entitled "Unit Specs", you'll see that Yankee Dog provides a link to Chris Hare's CM charts. Once you go to that page, scroll down to "CM1 Tables" and click on it. This brings up a window which allows you to access multiple tables detailing many of the units in the game, based on unit type. Just click on the Artillery icon and all the information you're looking for is there in a spreadsheet format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrasill Posted June 19, 2002 Author Share Posted June 19, 2002 Thanks. But I already tried that and, as Chris notes, for some reason my version of Excel can't read his spreadsheets. I'm using Windows 2000. @#$% Microsoft. Can anyone post them as a text file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Ygg, did you try opening a file, selecting 'All', and then either choosing a font or changing the color? That seems to work for many folks. If that doesn't help, then you could always download and install the free Excel viewer. Strangely enough, it works just fine. Go figure! Though you will have to change the layout to landscape and adjust a few columns to get it to print properly. - Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpazManOught Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Why oh why didnt he just save the files in csv format? Any spreadsheet can then open them, sure you don't get fancy bold text and swanky formating but at least you would be able to open them in apple works. Highlight the bottom text, paste into a text editor and save the file with the extension .csv, then double click on the file in explorer and it should open straight into Excel with most of the important formating. Or try this in excel, copy all the text below into Excel cell A1, highlight the whole of column A, select the menu item "Text to columns" from the data menu, a funky window will appear, make sure "delimited" is highlighted and then click next. In the next screen click the "comma" check box and click finish. Bingo data in a non propitary format, information for the poor, freedom from Microsoft. Go for it. -------------------------------------------------- Edited because if you just do paste special(Right click) and select the text option, Excel will format the data for you automatically. Dang that HTML. (If you do the previous method, it works but you will have to do some weird stuff with text wrapping and stuff, I hate HTML) ------------------------------------------------- American Arty,,,,,,,,,, 75mm Arty (80),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,0:11 secs,39,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,03:10,02:11,01:51,01:37,00:58,,,, no LOS,,06:39,04:03,03:54,02:18,02:11,,,, 81mm Mortar Arty (200),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:21,00:15,00:12,00:10,00:09,,0:05 secs,18,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,00:40,00:28,00:24,00:19,00:16,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,01:34,00:51,00:49,00:44,00:31,,,, no LOS,,03:06,02:04,02:00,01:37,01:09,,,, 105mm Arty (100),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,0:13 secs,77,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,03:15,01:58,01:49,01:35,01:23,,,, no LOS,,06:37,03:41,03:23,03:09,02:46,,,, 105mm VT Arty (100),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,0:16 secs,77,Oct44-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,03:16,02:01,01:52,01:33,01:18,,,, no LOS,,06:30,04:43,03:02,03:04,01:57,,,, 4.2in Mortar Arty (80),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:21,00:15,00:12,00:10,00:09,,0:10 secs,72,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,00:40,00:28,00:24,00:19,00:16,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,01:25,01:02,01:00,00:45,00:35,,,, no LOS,,02:43,02:12,02:00,01:34,01:17,,,, 4.5in Arty (40),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,0:17 secs,125,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,03:01,02:00,01:58,01:25,01:16,,,, no LOS,,06:32,04:16,03:44,02:34,02:37,,,, 155mm Arty (35),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,0:32 secs,198,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 2 secs),, LOS,,02:23,02:01,02:01,01:16,01:06,,,, no LOS,,05:47,04:27,03:49,03:14,02:47,,,, 155mm VT Arty (35),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,0:32 secs,198,Oct44-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 2 secs),, LOS,,02:44,02:06,01:50,01:22,01:14,,,, no LOS,,05:50,04:22,03:22,02:44,02:14,,,, 8in Howitz Arty (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,1:05 secs,388,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 5 secs),, LOS,,02:26,02:19,02:01,01:19,01:02,,,, no LOS,,06:26,04:12,02:53,02:48,02:24,,,, 8in Gun Arty (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,1:02 secs,456,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 3 secs),, LOS,,02:58,01:46,01:26,01:27,01:08,,,, no LOS,,04:44,04:09,04:02,03:18,02:40,,,, 240mm Arty (18),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,2:09 secs,648,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 6 secs),, LOS,,03:11,01:38,01:34,01:34,01:14,,,, no LOS,,04:53,04:41,03:40,02:45,02:02,,,, 14in Naval (10),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,1:56 secs,2348,Begin-Aug44 TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:59,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 6 secs),, LOS,,03:16,02:11,01:58,01:15,01:02,,,, no LOS,,05:41,04:20,03:45,03:17,02:37,,,, British Arty,,,,,,,,,, 75mm Arty {AirB} (80),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,0:11 secs,39,Begin-Aug44 TRP no LOS,,,00:58,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,,01:52,01:51,01:25,01:06,,,, no LOS,,,04:46,03:02,03:03,02:44,,,, 3in Mortar Arty (180),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:31,00:22,00:19,00:15,00:13,,0:05 secs,26,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:01,00:43,00:37,00:30,00:25,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,02:26,01:46,01:23,01:07,00:57,,,, no LOS,,04:48,03:32,02:50,02:14,01:42,,,, 4.2in Mortar Arty (80),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:31,00:22,00:19,00:15,00:13,,0:12 secs,47,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,01:01,00:43,00:37,00:30,00:25,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,02:17,01:47,01:08,00:55,00:50,,,, no LOS,,04:42,03:32,02:47,02:24,01:30,,,, 25 pdr Arty (120),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:21 secs,59,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 2 secs),, LOS,,04:13,03:31,02:06,02:22,01:51,,,, no LOS,,09:17,06:09,04:09,04:44,04:14,,,, 25 pdr VT Arty (120),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:22 secs,59,Dec44-End TRP no LOS,,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 2 sec),, LOS,,03:57,02:31,02:30,01:59,01:39,,,, no LOS,,09:13,06:45,06:02,04:58,04:01,,,, 4.5in Arty (40),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:21 secs,125,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,,04:09,03:19,02:41,02:05,01:28,,,, no LOS,,08:58,06:19,04:47,04:53,03:59,,,, 5.5in Arty (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:30 secs,208,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 2 secs),, LOS,,04:18,03:11,02:02,02:25,02:06,,,, no LOS,,09:55,06:36,05:40,04:46,03:38,,,, 5.5in VT Arty (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:30 secs,208,Dec44-End TRP no LOS,,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 2 secs),, LOS,,04:55,03:14,02:58,02:21,01:44,,,, no LOS,,09:49,05:07,04:59,04:38,04:07,,,, 7.2in Arty (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,1:03 secs,387,Begin-End TRP no LOS,,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 2 secs),, LOS,,04:18,03:02,03:01,01:54,01:31,,,, no LOS,,08:35,05:58,06:01,04:25,03:46,,,, 14in Naval (10),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,,00:42,00:30,00:25,00:21,00:18,,1:55 secs,2348,Begin-Aug44 TRP no LOS,,01:22,00:58,00:49,00:40,00:34,,(+/- 15 secs),, LOS,,02:42,02:01,01:57,01:36,01:25,,,, no LOS,,06:09,03:46,03:53,03:12,02:49,,,, German Arty,,,,,,,,,, 75mm Arty (50),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:10 secs,36,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,06:39,04:32,03:51,03:02,02:21,01:45,,,, no LOS,11:16,07:48,06:30,05:32,04:41,04:16,,,, 81mm Mortar Arty (150),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,00:45,00:31,00:22,00:19,00:15,00:13,,0:04 secs,19,Begin-End TRP no LOS,01:28,01:01,00:43,00:37,00:30,00:25,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,02:33,02:07,01:46,01:16,01:13,00:55,,,, no LOS,05:29,04:29,03:33,02:33,02:19,02:03,,,, 105mm Arty (60),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:17 secs,75,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,06:09,04:59,02:50,02:51,02:21,02:01,,,, no LOS,10:45,09:28,05:45,05:40,04:19,03:33,,,, 120mm Mortar Arty (50),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,00:45,00:31,00:22,00:19,00:15,00:13,,0:11 secs,80,Begin-End TRP no LOS,01:28,01:01,00:43,00:37,00:30,00:25,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,03:01,02:03,01:17,01:04,01:03,00:45,,,, no LOS,06:17,04:04,03:26,02:35,01:53,01:45,,,, 150mm Arty (35),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:26 secs,198,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,06:59,04:48,02:32,02:10,02:30,01:52,,,, no LOS,12:03,08:09,05:50,05:45,04:50,04:04,,,, 150mm Rockets (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:05 secs,135,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,07:07,04:33,03:03,02:44,02:13,01:47,,,, no LOS,11:32,09:01,05:03,05:40,04:47,03:28,,,, 170mm Arty (20),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:47 secs,298,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 2 secs),, LOS,06:51,03:27,02:35,02:06,02:22,01:37,,,, no LOS,13:25,08:54,06:21,04:33,04:23,04:11,,,, 210mm Arty (20),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:56 secs,465,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 3 secs),, LOS,06:35,04:22,02:55,02:44,02:02,01:35,,,, no LOS,10:06,09:52,06:57,05:48,04:49,03:35,,,, 210mm Rockets (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:05 secs,423,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,06:22,03:50,03:26,02:47,02:00,01:35,,,, no LOS,11:22,06:42,04:49,04:19,04:11,03:17,,,, 240mm Arty (18),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,2:13 secs,627,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 6 secs),, LOS,04:58,04:10,02:54,02:03,01:51,01:38,,,, no LOS,13:28,09:46,07:00,04:39,04:51,04:07,,,, 300mm Rockets (25),Con,Grn,Reg,Vet,Crk,Eli,,Interval,Blast,Intro TRP LOS,01:29,01:02,00:45,00:38,00:31,00:27,,0:05 secs,426,Begin-End TRP no LOS,02:58,02:04,01:28,01:15,01:01,00:52,,(+/- 1 sec),, LOS,05:25,03:45,02:45,02:04,02:11,02:09,,,, no LOS,13:53,08:20,06:13,05:57,04:52,04:14,,,, "Note: When using a TRP (target reference point), the numbers listed here are exact. When you don't",,,,,,,,,, "use the TRPs, the numbers here can vary wildly. Most test were run only once, so average ETAs are",,,,,,,,,, not represented. Some ETAs listed here may be off by as much as 2 minutes (i.e. conscript with no LOS).,,,,,,,,,, Consider yourself warned.,,,,,,,,,, Numbers given here indicate when the 'Firing' message is first seen; not when the shells first begin to land. "When firing at a target that is not in LOS, the time it takes before firing is double that of targets the FO can" "see. When it begins counting down at 59 seconds, the clock ticks at half the rate of game time. For targets" "the FO can see, the ETA clock ticks at normal speed. This applies whether you use a TRP or not." A moving FO firing at a target within LOS will count down as if he were aiming at a target out of LOS (i.e. the "clock ticks at half the rate of time in the game). But once within LOS and no longer moving, the counter ticks" "at the same rate as game time, and having LOS to a target inherently improves shell accuracy. So moving an FO" from an area where he can't see the target to one where he can does have benefits (both in terms of ETA speed "and accuracy), but not until the FO stops moving. Accuracy, however, is the same whether the FO is moving or" not (it only depends on whether the FO has LOS to the target). This also applies when using TRPs. "Numbers in parenthesis ( ) indicate actual number of rounds available. Each ""volley"" (fire mission) expends 4" "shells per volley. Each spotting shell reduces the number of total shells by 1. The last ""volley"" may end up" firing fewer than the normal 4 shells. "The ""Interval"" is the time between fire missions (volleys), not individual shells." "The experience level of the FO does not affect the accuracy (shell pattern or size). For info on shell patterns, see:" http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/010543.html HQ units do not have any effect on an FO's accuracy or on how quickly the shells begin to fall. An HQ also cannot spot for an FO. "The German 120mm mortars, 170mm, 210mm, 210mm rockets, 240mm, and 300mm rockets do not fire smoke." "The American 4.2in mortar, 4.5in, 8in How, 8in Gun, 240mm, and 14in Naval do not fire smoke." "The British 4.5in, 5.5in, 5.5in VT, 7.2in, and 14in Naval do not fire smoke." © 2000-2001 by Chris Hare (chare@erols.com) http://users.erols.com/chare/cm/ [ June 19, 2002, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: SpazManOught ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Originally posted by SpazManOught: "The American 4.2in mortar...do not fire smoke."This is a remarkable statement inasmuch as this weapon was specifically intended as a chemical mortar, which included the firing of smoke. And as far as the game goes, I would swear that on at least one occasion I have used them to lay down smoke. :confused: Michael [ June 20, 2002, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: Michael emrys ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Originally posted by SpazManOught: Why oh why didnt he just save the files in csv format? Any spreadsheet can then open them, sure you don't get fancy bold text and swanky formating but at least you would be able to open them in apple works.The tables, especially the Tanks chart, absolutely *needs* to have some sort of formatting or it's completely unprintable. And I don't think that people who D/L them really want to have to change the font and adjust every single column in order to get them into a somewhat printable state (and a butt-ugly one at that) if I used text and commas. Excel is widely enough standardized that if you don't have a way to view them yourself, you can easily find someone who does. I already have two different versions of the same charts posted, and really don't feel like making yet another one. Especially considering other folks have asked for plain text, HTML, and even one for a PDF version! :eek: So I'm afraid they are in the format they're going to remain in. Michael Emrys wrote: I would swear that on at least one occasion I have used them to lay down smokeYou must be thinking of the Brits, Michael. The US 4.2" mortars don't have smoke. - Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrasill Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 THANKS EVERYONE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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