Louie the Toad Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 One of my favorites playing miniatures because our rules gave it the option for the 28-20 mm tapered bore gun. 1. How prevalent was this combination ? 2. Will this combination be in CMBB ? The CMBB picture I saw of a troop of 222s going through a wheat field reminded me to ask about 'Gruber's cute little tank'. Cute Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Is that the 2.8cm Panzerbusche 41? If so, I have never heard of it on that vehicle. I have never heard of any weapon other than the standard 20mm on the 222, except for the 223 that had just the MG34. However, it does sound feasible since the Pzb41 was a pretty small weapon, easily transportable. Although I am still not sure it would fit in that turret. In fact, I think it would be impossible. Only the 250/11 mounted that weapon as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike the wino2 Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 [ August 21, 2002, 01:32 AM: Message edited by: mike the wino ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 The Panzerbusche was indeed fitted to the armored car, but whether in a closed turret or an open mounting I can't at the moment recall. Since the weapon itself and its ammunition were uncommon, I don't think many of these mods were produced or put into service. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Elwen Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Ok here's the answer , thanks to my "everything you wanted to know about german tanks" book Sd Kfz 222 , 989 produced . Armament 1 x 2cm KwK 30 or KwK 38 Ammo 180 , and 1 x 7.92 MG34 Ammo 1050 Armour 8mm @ 35degrees or so all round . In May 1942 front hull armour increased to 30mm Sd Kfz 221 , 339 produced . Armament 1 x 7.92 MG34 Ammo 1050 Armour 8mm @ 35 degrees or so all round . During 1942 the 2.8 sPzB41 was mounted into a modified turret . Ammo ? , How many modified ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warphead Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Panzerbüsche = Tank shrubs Panzerbüchse = Tank rifle I see myself corrected. [ August 21, 2002, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: Warphead- ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 From WW2 Fact File series on self propelled AT weapons: "2.8 cm,s.Pz.B 41 auf Sd.Kfz 221" Produced in late 1941. Qty, ammo load out unknown, except there'd be no HE!! Also "Sd.Kfz 250/11 (2.8cm,s.Pz.B. 41)" This was the 250 with the airborne version of the 2.8 mounted in it - apparently it could be dismounted and the wheels and carriage were carried on the rear plate of the vehicle. Personally I'd like to see some of the 4.7cm AT vehicles - the PzJgd 1, the 4.7 on the French 35R chassis and the Lorraine tractor, and the 5cm on the SdKfz 7 tractor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hensworth Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Warphead-: Panzerbüsche = Tank scrubs Panzerbüchse = Tank rifle You mean shrubs, not scrubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Maybe the Wehrmacht had very clean tanks, I mean Panzers. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnz Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Tank shrubs ?!? Are we talking hanging baskets ? They'll never survive the Russian winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Originally posted by Farnz: Tank shrubs ?!? Are we talking hanging baskets ? This is not what we old-timey Panzerblitz player grognards meant when we were grogning about the "Panzerbush syndrome", but it sounds very similar. When people used empty trucks as forward observers to call indirect fire on people hidden in woods, their opponents probably did feel a lot like hanging the baskets. All the best, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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