Tiger Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Will these be modelled in CMBB? If so will the crew have a chance to use them, ala the anti-personnel mortars on german tanks in CMBO? Also, if the pistol porrts are modelled, will this have any effect upon the armor in the location (i.e. possible critical hit weak spot on the pistol port? -john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Many Shermans and WW2-vintage Pershings had pistol ports in their turrets. I don't think these things did any more than add "penetration at weak spot" chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Originally posted by Bullethead: Many Shermans and WW2-vintage Pershings had pistol ports in their turrets. I don't think these things did any more than add "penetration at weak spot" chances.I know the Sherman had a port with armoured flap on the rear left of the turret, but always assumed it was for "ejecting" empty casings from the 75mm gun (would be dangerous for the loader to be tripping on them, rolling around on the floor, plus if you had to use one for a chamberpot while under shellfire...) Was that really the intended use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graaf Spee Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Originally posted by Tiger: Will these be modelled in CMBB? If so will the crew have a chance to use them, ala the anti-personnel mortars on german tanks in CMBO? Also, if the pistol porrts are modelled, will this have any effect upon the armor in the location (i.e. possible critical hit weak spot on the pistol port? -johnI saw an instruction film for new Panther crews which showed that it also had one. They where overrunning an infantry position and having missed an AT mine by inches the commander pushed the plug and stuck out his SMG to deal with some poor russians. I think the film was from 1943 just before Kursk, but I'm not sure. /Kristian ps The same commander also opened the hatch in the back of the turret to put out a Molotov cocktail. A brave man, at least in training. I wonder if anyone ever did that with bullets flying all over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Young Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Many German tanks had pistol ports. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted February 12, 2002 Author Share Posted February 12, 2002 Ok thanks, I was just wondering. Was looking at some pictures of Soviet tanks and it showed a KV-1 with a pistol plug: it's an sctual plug in the side of the turret that is pushed out and dangles by a cord, and is pulled back up into place with the cord. I am more intrested if this 'plug' compromised the armor's resistance any. -john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Young Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Russian AT riflemen were trained to shoot at the pistol ports of German tanks. Pistol ports are also shown as weak spots on German tank target diagrams, if that tells you anything. E [ February 11, 2002, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Eric Young ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Michael Dorosh said: I know the Sherman had a port with armoured flap on the rear left of the turret, but always assumed it was for "ejecting" empty casings from the 75mm gun (would be dangerous for the loader to be tripping on them, rolling around on the floor, plus if you had to use one for a chamberpot while under shellfire...) Was that really the intended use?All I've ever seen these things refered to as is "pistol ports", even in Crimson's book. So I really belieave their intended use was close defense with pistols. As for empty cases and calls of nature, I believe Shermans had hatches in the hull floor that worked well for those uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Germans actually devised an adapter for their full-auto weapons that turned the bullet path 90-degree, essentially enabling the gun to "fire around the corner". This was supposed to work indepentently outside the tank, or from within using the pistol ports. It could sustain several hundred rounds of fire before being "blown out." IIRC the pistol port on the Pershing was used to lob brass casings out of the turret, as much as anything else. Can't say about the one on the Sherman, it seems that they were often welded up as the war went on and deleted post-war from new designs. As noted elsewhere, they just introduced an unnecessary weak point in the armor and were legacies of an earlier generation of tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Panthers had pistol ports through the A model. They were of the plug type mentioned by Tiger and were right smack in the middle of the turret sides. It's the most visible way to distinguish an ausf A from a G other than the slightly more sloped side armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Young Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Having used the floor hatch of a Hetzer for "natural use" I can say that vehicles with floor hatches make fine mobile toilets. I would not confuse the side hatches on turrets of the Sherman and Pershing for pistol ports like on the side of a Panther D. The KV and Panther pistol ports were just a very small hole to point a pistol through, same goes for early model T-34's. T-34's had them on models produced before 1943. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Didn't the Germans find that the Tiger's pistol ports often let Russian 45mm AP rounds into the turret. will this be modeled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 While pistol ports are nice I would like to know if the blind spots/areas are going to be modelled. In CMBO a tank can spot, aim and fire on a target which would normally be in the blind spot or more exasperatingly fire at in a location which the gun would not historically be able to fire at it (due to depression limits or what not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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