TSword Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Hi, anybody heard anything whether the Heavy Demolition carrier has made it into CMBB ? To the history in the East of this remarkable device: In May 1942 Tankdetachment 300 F.L. with 2 Companies consisting of PzIII as remote-Control units and the Sd.Kfz 301. In Spring 1943 the 'Radiocontrol units' were enlarged to 3 light companies. From April to June 1943 a Total of 61 StuGIII were issued to the Radiocontrol units. Radio controlled units were deployed at Kursk. FKL 312 (10 StuG's and 36 B IV) as support for Tiger Abt. 506. FKL 314 supported PzJg Abt. 653. FKL 311 was subordinated to Grossdeutschland-Division in August 1943 and stayed there until May 1944. To the B IV: Radio controlled tracked vehicle with a 500 kg explosive Charge which could be dropped. For road marches the unit could be manned by a driver. The B IV was used primarily to destroy difficult targets as bunkers and the like and to breach minebelts. A snippet from Kursk: Deployment of Pz.Kp.FKL 314 at I./Pz.Jg.Rgt. 656 A very dense and deep echeloned Minebelt denied access to the russ. MLR (HKL = Hauptkampflinie). According to attackorder the 3rd Cpy started to explode lanes through the minefield. Because of the deepness of the minefield 12 B IV were used. The lanes then could be traversed by the Control tanks without damage.... In the further commencment of the battle 7 B IV were exploded. One of these plunged into a trench manned by infantry, the attacking infantry was exploded together with the B IV. Two B IV were guided to a heavy defended piece of wood and exploded. After this no resistance was encountered anymore. During the whole attack 4 B IV were knocked out of which one detonated (Fuze was already attached), the other 3 burned out without explosion. Deployment of Pz.Kp.FKL 312 at Tiger Abt. 505: The deployment of the Cpy in advance of the Tigers as reconaissance was in accordance with tactical necessities and was a good success: One B IV was used against a Paknest of 2-3 Pak's and accomp. Infantry at 800 m range and destroyed the strongpoint completely. One B IV was used vs. a T-34 at 400 m range. The T-34 was destroyed as he tried to ram the B IV. 3 B IV were guided towards 3 heavy gunbunkers and completely destroyed them. 1 B IV vs. an AT-Bunker guided, reached it, was hit and started burning 10 m in Front of the Bunker the ensuing explosion destroyed the Bunker. 2 B IV vs. an AT-Position and an Infantry Gun position, both destroyed. 1 B IV was attacked by Molotov-Cocktails, the unit was exploded and had an anihilating effect on the enemy position. Four B IV were knocked out by defensive fire. In total 20 B IV were used in four days. PzKp FKL 301: Report about deployment of a B IV unit during a Reconaissance in force vs. Belsek at 14.8. and the destruction of a bridge by use of a B IV. 1.) Order: Reconaissance in force vs. Belsek with a FKL-Platoon and a Platoon PzGren F.E.B (??). After reconaissance of the ground, both platoon deployed along a ravine west of the village. The FKL-Platoon took reverse slope position. The Grenadier-platoon advanced under the firecover of the StuG's within 600 m of the Eastern village border. At the same time 3 B IV were used for reconaisance of which one reached the eastern village border. The strong rifle- and MG- fire lessend as the B IV advanced towards the Village. The enemy seemed somewhat unsure. The Grenadiers received strong Mortar-fire and Art.-fire of a battery from the vicinity of Kotelwa. The B IV after a short retreat was again guided towards the village border and the charge dropped. The B IV itself was guided back. The confusion during and after the ignition of the charge was used by the Grenadiere to retreat. Success: The enemy lost several dead and wounded, several MGs and 3 mortars. Losses: None 2.) Order: Destruction of a bridge at Cholowdewtschia by use of a B IV. The bridge was laying under enemy fire. An explosion by a B IV was therefore necessary. The B IV was guided to the bridge from a reverse slope position. The enemy acted cautiously so that the B IV could reach the bridge. The commando to drop the charge failed after which the B IV had to be detonated. Success: Bridge was destroyed Losses: None Experiences: The B IV was guided toward the bridge from a range of 500 m without trouble. The enemy seemed surprised and acted cautiously. The 18 ton wooden bridge was completely destroyed. The whole 25 m length of the bridge was destroyed below the river surface. Wouldn't it be nice to have such a device in CMBB ? (Exotic true but nevertheless big fun i suppose....) Imagine the face of your PBEM opponent as a horde of B IV's approaches his positions... Greets Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nippy Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 "Imagine the face of your PBEM opponent as a horde of B IV's approaches his positions..." LOL! It would be like being attacked by those "spanked" up junkies with explosives around their chests in GTA3. "What time is it? Oh yeah...HALF PAST TNT!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Barca Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Imagine your face when your oponent, knowing perfectly what you are trying to do, knock every of your Heavy Demolition carrier with concentrated AT fire at medium range... The problem with that, is when you know it, you're not likely to be fooled again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Pic? Specs? What the heck is the thing? Sounds like a remote control car bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Måkjager Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 The vehicle will not be in CMBB. regards Måkjager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortlund Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Originally posted by TSword: One B IV was used vs. a T-34 at 400 m range. The T-34 was destroyed as he tried to ram the B IV.Smart move right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Originally posted by Captain Wacky: Pic? Specs? What the heck is the thing? Sounds like a remote control car bomb.One model of the Borgward B IV, coming right up! btw, the Driver had to drive up to the attended demolition spot, drop the explosive package (the big box like structure on the hull front) then backup quickly. Of course this job was not covered by insurance. Mace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSword Posted September 17, 2002 Author Share Posted September 17, 2002 Mace, thanks for the nice model-picture !! The driver didn't have to drive it up to the demolition site, the thing was remote-controlled. It was manned for road marches and movement into the jump-off point. Hannibal Barka, Right, if deployed in masses an even easier method would be to create some strong Highvoltage electrical sparks (Broadband radiofreq-emitter). On the other hand the thing is quite a small target and doesn't have to stop and shoot but instead only explode 500 kg of explosive in front of your face.... Greets Daniel [ September 17, 2002, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: TSword ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHero Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 It looks amazing :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Hofbauer Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 TSword, if you ever played CMBO any length of time (and guess you did) then you can answer the question you raised in the thread title yourself if you just took a step back and thought about the characteristics and employemnt of the Ladungsträger vs the game model/engine of CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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