Tall Hedge

[DasNoogie]

Does anyone know what the cover and concealment characteristics of a tall hedge are? It only says that armor can't pass and infanrty seems to be slowed. I noticed that LOS is totally blocked which leads me to believe that concealment is very good.....but is there any cover?

Would using the tall pine or wood tile be better?

[MikeyD]

Vehicle's are 'sorta' blocked.

Starting July(?) '44 U.S. tanks are given an increased ability to pass through tall hedges (with some effort on their part). This was done to accomodate people playing Normandy bocage scenarios. This trick can come as a nasty surprise if you're not expecting it. I was once playing Germans and I had cornered a Stuart between two buildings with escape blocked by a tall hedge. I spent two turns maneuvering my Panther to finally nail him only to find the blocked alley empty when I got there! Aaaaagh!!!

[CombinedArms]

Tall hedge is actually good old CMBO bocage in all but name. Units behind tall hedge who are able to exchange fire with others have a 22% exposure, so it gives pretty good cover to infantry. Part of real bocage is the thick earthen embankment--usually several feet high-- from which the hedge is growing, so it really should be (and is) good cover for infantry, guns and crews. Foxholes don't seem to add to the cover effect. On the other hand, trenches behind tall hedges offer remarkable cover: only 6% exposure.

Tanks have to be pretty close before they can fire through tall hedges. One might argue that the earthen embankment should confer hull down status on any tank firing through bocage but it doesn't seem to have that effect.

[birdstrike]

Originally posted by MikeyD:

Starting July(?) '44 U.S. tanks are given an increased ability to pass through tall hedges

Can anyone please confirm this? I thought that tall hedges in CMAK generally blocked vehicle movement, including late U.S. tanks. :confused:

[Brent Pollock]

Can't confirm the exact date but the general statement is correct; at some point US (probably not Commonwealth, though) fully-tracked AFVs can pass through tall hedges.

Originally posted by birdstrike:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Originally posted by MikeyD:

Starting July(?) '44 U.S. tanks are given an increased ability to pass through tall hedges

Can anyone please confirm this? I thought that tall hedges in CMAK generally blocked vehicle movement, including late U.S. tanks. :confused: </font>

[CombinedArms]

Shortly after the release of CMAK there was a discussion of tall hedges vs. bocage. Moon or a betatester or both confirmed that tall hedge was in fact bocage and that from July 1944 on Allied tanks could go through bocage with slight delay. (This is to model the bocage hedge-cutters proposed by Sgt. Culin and used in the Cobra breakout).

I am 95% sure the bocage-defying power applies to all Allied tanks (even though, historically, less than 25% of US-only tanks had Culin cutters for Cobra). No doubt for the next engine we'll get something a trifle more historically exact.

I'm too lazy to do a search but the thread is definitely back there.

[birdstrike]

Thanks for the info guys, must've missed that one completely.

I would've been going around those hedges with my shermans forever and ever.