patboy Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Does anyone know the exact term used by the German heer to define the end war camo calling "Ambush" by the allied post war? here some photos Pat [ April 14, 2006, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: patboy ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 As far as I know it was called "Hinterhaltschema" - actually a direct transaltion. Anyway, hard data is difficult to come by and it might very well be called differently. I´ll check my meager sources again... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboy Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 Thanks for the quick reply Earl Grey, I found "Hinterhältig" in my dictionnary, meant sly, maybe a short explanation ! if any German CM player can help us it would be great, by advance thanks. Pat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurra Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 It was called "Licht und schatten tarnung". Regards Gurra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboy Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 Hi Gurra thanks, translation : "Lights and shadows" camouflage in english Camouflage "Ombres et lumières" in French It's better name than "Ambush" ! Thanks again Cheers Pat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Well, never came across that... and I AM German. But it sounds reasonable. Would fit in with the description and the effect they wanted to achieve. But I´ve never heard of it and none of my sources speak of that term. Gurra, would you care to explain from where you have that information? Thanks... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboy Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 Yeah Gurra, explain from where you got that info? I think nobody heard of it, that's why I asked today. "Ambush scheme" is post war calling, could we ask to a vétéran? Pat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zweihorn Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 I think the term is: Hinterhalt-Tarnung http://www.panzerbaer.de/colours/wh_camo-b.htm The link is in german Regards Zweihorn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurra Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Ok, after some digging among my books, I found the one where I know I have read it: Armor at War Series nr. 7006 Panther quote: Defending the East Prussian town of Goldap in early 1945 this Panther clearly displays the revised side plates of the Ausf. G. due to production of the JagdPanther, the hull´s side angle was changed and the armor increased to nearly 2 inches(50mm). The camouflage was called Licht und Schatten Tarnung, more commonly known as the ambush scheme. The number "213" was applied in white. The text describes your first photo. Best Regards Gurra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Grey Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Should have thought of that... I own it, too. *slap* But I think it´s the only book to mention that name. Or do you have another one, Gurra? Camouflage discussion is a favorite hobby of mine, especially regarding the Panther. Zweihorn, there are many names for that special pattern. "Hinterhaltschema", "Hinterhalt-Tarnung", "Hinterhalt-Tarnschema" etc. Every single one meaning the same. Actually, I think most people don´t really know what the REAL name was. But "Licht und Schatten" might be it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patboy Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 Bruce Culver has written: Later in the retreat across France and in the weeks before the Ardennes offensive, many German tanks and tank destroyers were used from ambush, as rear guard units. To improve the camouflage of these vehicles, usually hidden in trees or heavy brush, a modification of the three color scheme was employed. On the dark yellow base, spots of olive green and red brown were painted in random patterns. On the olive green and red brown portions of the vehicles, spots of dark yellow were painted, again in random patterns. Usually foliage was added to the vehicles so painted in order to break up the outline shape. The spots of light and dark colors contrasted against the vehicles basic camouflage colors, simulating perfectly the spotty shadows and pinpoints of light that usually resulted when sunlight filtered through trees. The result was that vehicles painted in this "ambush" scheme and hidden in trees were virtually undetectable even from close range. I think if nobody knows the exact term used for this scheme, the description done by Bruce Culver give reason to all. I like "ombres et lumieres"("shadows and lights")("Licht und shatten") 'cause define exactly the scheme described by Bruce Culver. "Ambush" define why the scheme was used for. Thanks to all Pat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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