Folbec Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Originally posted by JasonC: so realism is banned if you play gamey competitive ladder types who never let go of their uberStuG security blanket, and yeah that means you have to use gamey counters like the Val IX. But it stinks as a solution. I generally agree. Other option if gamey opponent and rarity is off is to buy german captured armor... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I have bought a platoon of captured Panthers - with rarity on - and it was very gratifying to speedily occupy the high central position dealing death to his force of Stugs! He was most put out : ) Funnily enough i also could afford a platoon of Stuarts who on a huge map were able to get behind his line of advance --- really bad news for Stugs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Puppchen Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I think people waste a lot of time playing with opponents who apparently play in bad faith. Every so often it is OK to pick a uber-tank (the russian OT-34 flame throwing tank springs to mind) but in general if someone is consistently gaming the system the best bet is not to continue dealing with them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I don't think I would play anyone with rarity factors off myself. Not, that I've ever played against another person to begin with. Hmm...this thread went off topic a bit didn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Rarity, while a nice addition to the game, does have some funkiness since it only takes into account rarity vs. other similar types *of the same combatant*, not rarity vs. opponents' weapons. So, while there were ballpark as many Russian 57mm ATGs as Tiger Is produced, 57mm ATGs get a *much* higher rarity bacause overall the number of Russian ATGs was so high, while the overall number of German tanks was actually pretty low. Another problem is that some of the weapons that Russians used to combat "Big Cats," like 122mm and even 152mm howitzers/guns in the direct fire mode, aren't available at all in CM. Overall, I find that the rarity system adds little in the way of fairness to the game, and almost inevitably pushes things towards very predictable armor vs. gun matchups, such as StuG vs. T-34. For myself, I prefer to play with rarity off. However, when playing QBs (which I don't do often) I also only play against opponents who I can trust to stick to an agreement to keep force selection within reasonable bounds of historical plausibility. Cheers, YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Rarity as a tool to ensure Quickbattles where both sides win has failed, and never had a chance to win. Reminds me I should update my rules for CMAK, but where's that bloody patch? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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