jon_j_rambo Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 Kiss an American HQ goodbye. Forgot to check who it was. Patton? Eisenhower? Bradley? Hollywood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 RECORD: Italy collects MMP's $412. Iraq Egypt Greece Vichey Spain Portugal Part of France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 France falls for the 2nd-time this game. Italy is out of control. Anti-Tank +3 Long Range +2 Jets +2 Subs +3 IT +4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 March 1944 --- Can you say "SeaLion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_j_rambo Posted March 20, 2003 Author Share Posted March 20, 2003 April 1944 --- London is in Axis hands. On the Eastern front, Germans push the line to Lennigrad, Finland joins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Trapp Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Only Rambo could pull that off :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wachtmeister Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Surrendered in Summer '44. This game was unique in that I had never lost a game where I was able to liberate France by late '42. Rambo did a great job making the best of the situation, and exploiting some errors on my part. Germany was hurting bad in Jan '43, and was saved to a significant extent by the beefed up, MPP rich, Italians - real alternative "what if" history! This game produced some new situations, at least for me, so I'll list a few lessons that I think I learned (aside from reducing obvious, dumb errors.) 1. Don't seize more in the west than you can hold, against the inevitable Axis counter-attack. the Allies liberated France and the Low Countries, but the now broad front could not be held indefinitely,especially in the face of level+2 increasing to level+4 infantry. Went ahead with the invasion of France, sooner than I wished, to relieve pressure on USSR, and to beat the monster Italian Army to France before they could finish with Spain and Portugal. The invasion decision was Ok, but I allowed myself to get overextended. It worked for about a year. The low USA/UK MPP base makes it tough to maintin units and get in any research. Eventually lost the tech battle. 2. When you detect that the line won't hold - get out to safety right away. I did a very poor job of this in Southern France and lost about 4 quality USA 2 UK, and 2 French ground units unecessarily. I had sufficient warning, but pulled the plug way late. Rambo did a far superior job of making timely withfrwals when appropriate. 3. If, and when, the pressure is relieved on the USSR, as it was in this game, set back and research. Limit offensive operations to spoiling attacks, and general harassment to gain some experience. Until you upgrade the Russian Infantry, their offensive punch is insufficient against the, by now, experienced Germans. My first offensive was considerably premature - visions of a "knock out blow" to the Reich. However, there is a fine line between waiting too long and jumping off too soon. In any case it was a enjoyable challenging game for both sides. Congrats Rambo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Ranger Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Good AAR guys , thanks. Very nice closing statement Wachtmeister, I think you hit the key. Allies have to counter attack, but doing it too soon and you can't hold your area or maintain your units. Attack too late and the Axis will have Fortress Eroupe set up and you will find operation Overlord very hard. Truly a fine line. [ March 20, 2003, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Iron Ranger ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookster Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 As I've said before, these AARs are better than any Grisham novel. Thanks. [ March 20, 2003, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Spookster ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 This is an unusual outcome! I have had tech-3 italian fighters but I've never seen them jump this far ahead, in other areas! They usually perform well in France though! I love the presence of 4-5 Italian Armies and tons of Corps with HQs they're the perfect attrittion Armies against the Allies that usually need that money on Reinforcing air.. I would have liked to seen this Map...I doubt the true Italians had this sorta capability in them as a Nation in 1939-1945 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Boggs Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 New Poll released today: Crowd Favorites: (Tie)1. Rambo & Wachtmeister Thanks for an excellent AAR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John DiFool Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 I think this game shows how kaa kaa koo koo the economic model is in SC1 (if I may be so blunt, or blunt-headed ). When Italy can get an economy built up to more than twice the magnitude of the United States, something is rotten in the state of Michigan (which is to say, all US cities that are not on the map do not exist to give the US their MPPs). And to top it all off, when France and the LCs are liberated, all those MPPs go to France and the UK, with NO plunder bonus! So it would seem that Italy's growth prospects are significantly greater than the US's, as all liberated countries go to the UK (which could use them too of course, just pointing that out). The Roman Powerhouse see just saw in this game then should come as no surprise to anyone. JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenfedoroff Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Originally posted by John DiFool: ....I think this game shows how kaa kaa koo koo the economic model is in SC1 (if I may be so blunt)..... JD Now let's all chant the mantra that Shaka was kind enough to share with us..... "It's a game, not a simulation....It's a game, not a......(and continue 'till the mind, body and spirit are one). Sincerely, Captain Unconscious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 *** *** Look who gets the last laugh, Momma Mia! Great Reading, took it in all at once and really enjoyed it. Liked that summary, WhactMeister , very good information. Great insights into your moves throughout. And General Rambo is still the original Legend. Terrific encouragement for those of us who like a strong Italy. And man, what a comeback from 43 to your Sea Lion! Meanwhile, somewhere in the shadows, Kuniworth is lurking, taking notes and preparing himself. [ March 21, 2003, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Yes I am here watching your every move Rambo...and no one defend against my drunken punch move...my priiiicelesss.... Muahahahhahahaa!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John DiFool Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Originally posted by Kuniworth: Yes I am here watching your every move Rambo...and no one defend against my drunken punch move...my priiiicelesss.... Muahahahhahahaa!!!!! What exactly have you been ingesting K.? I'm surprised they haven't banned you yet... JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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