Shaka of Carthage Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Best part of the Borg was Seven of Nine. She can assimilate me anytime. Even though those Klingon sisters in Deep Space Nine work for me also. I find it amazing what they can tell from the shipwrecks. I guess the metal in the ships takes quite some time to go away, if it ever does. Educate a dummy... why is the Hood getting so much attention? What was so special about that ship, or do all of the sunken captial ships get that kind of attention? Oh my God! JJ, are you talking like a Soclalist? Or a Libertarian!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Shaka Thanks, you snapped me out of it, I don't so much mind Bolshevik but socialist and libertarian is where I draw the line! Jersey before being sedated. I don't know what it is about the Hood that keeps discussions going. Same with the Bismarck and the Titanic. It's like a disgruntled maritime curator said on TV one day. "You build a ship, have it do a few hundred or more round trips without so much as a scratch and nobody cares about it. But if you take her out and crash her into something on her maiden voyage then everyone wants to have a look at her in a submarine! Go figure." He was trying to raise funds to turn one of the old giant luxury liners into a museum, apparently with little or no success. [ May 19, 2003, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka of Carthage Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Speaking of ships... History Channel has a special on the "Scharnhorst" (the German cruiser right?) tommorrow night. And tonight they have a special on killing Hitler (some sort of English plot with a sniper). Finally, on regular TV, lets not forget there is part 2 of the CBS special on Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Glad you mentioned them. Enjoyed Part I. The British sniper show actually put me to sleep earlier so I'll have to tape it in the A. M. rebroadcast. It's followed by a related story on assasinating Hitler. Looking forward to Part II of Hitler tomorrow and will keep an eye out for the Scharnhorst special. Thanks for mentioning it. I wonder if that ship and Gneisenau would still have done 32 knots with the 15" guns they were supposed to fitted with instead of the 11" weapons they actually received. Probably they'd have used a different configuration, 6x15s instead of 9x11s (3 doubles instead of 3 triple turrets) possibly keeping them in the original performance range. [ May 19, 2003, 11:49 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted May 20, 2003 Author Share Posted May 20, 2003 I missed Hitler. Anyone know when it'll be on again? Damned People like Golf here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Usually the networks don't do much rebroadcasting. Your best bet is to hit CBS.com every once in a while to see if they mention something. Another interesting show tonight on the the History Channel, The Battle of the Atlantic. If it runs opposite Hitler, the HC rebroadcasts things again after midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaWolf_48 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Jersey John What ever happened to the Guam and the Alaska. I know that FDR wanted them built, and the Navy didnt'. But what happened to them after the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Originally posted by SeaWolf_48: Jersey John What ever happened to the Guam and the Alaska. I know that FDR wanted them built, and the Navy didnt'. But what happened to them after the war? The Alaska “placed in inactive status commission, in reserve" at Bayonne, on 13 August 1946, ALASKA was ultimately placed out of commission, in reserve, on 17 February 1947.The large cruiser never returned to active duty. Her name struck from the Naval Vessel Register on 1 June 1960, the was sold on 30 June 1960 to the Lipsett Division of Luria Brothers of New York City, to be broken up for scrap.” And the Guam: “Clearing San Francisco 5 December 1945, GUAM arrived Bayonne, N.J., 17 December. She remained there and decommissioned 17 February 1947; GUAM berthed with the New York Group, Atlantic Reserve Fleet until 1 June 1960 when her name was struck from the Navy List. She was sold for scrapping 24 May 1961 to the Boston Metals Co., Baltimore, Md.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 SeaWolf Like Marlow said! Marlow Glad you posted that, I didn't know what happened to the Alaska but had a feeling it was turned into salvage not long after the war, didn't realize they made it intact through the fifties. There used to be a few dozen or more WW II capital ships permanently anchored on the Hudson River called the Mothball Fleet. I remember seeing it a few times from our car when I was a kid in the late fifties. Even in that state they were an impressive sight. Since then several Battleships and Carriers have been turned into moored naval and air museums, like the Intrepid in Manhattan. [ May 20, 2003, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaWolf_48 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 THANKS MARLOW AND JOHN The two 9-12" gunned ships never did much during the war, and after the war did even less according to you guys. What a waste of time and material. FDR was so impressed with Britians Battle Cruisers that he wanted the US to have some. The US Navy didn't want them, they wanted to make more Battleships, so they became anti-aircraft platforms for the fast carriers. I have read that the North Viet Nam Government wouldn't come to the negotiation table until the US Navies 8" Cruisers would stop shelling the DMZ. They were more destructive than the Fighter Bombers to the NVA, blowing the be-zonkers out of their bunkers. I'd like to find out which Cruisers were used in Viet Nam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 SeaWolf I'm don't know which specific heavy cruisers would have been doing the firing but it seems the Navy really got their money's worth out of those guys in three wars. The History Channel is doing some humorous programming after midnight: first, Modern Marvels: Concrete then, History's Mysteries: The disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa. Wonder if that was intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka of Carthage Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 SeaWolf_48 I think its the Battleships you are talking about in 'Nam. I don't remember anything about any Cruisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Ranger Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 If my source is right the last 'big gun' cruiser used in Nam is the "Newport News". She supported operations using her 8" guns to good effect. And yes the NVA was more worried about her then all the fighter bombers in the Navy. Now guys - how does any of this apply to SC? Just a question as this subject keep coming back like bad gas at a family picnic. [ May 20, 2003, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: Iron Ranger ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 Then we should've well comissioned 20 battlecruisers with 15" guns to pound the DMZ into shreds IMHO.. Damned wimpy foreign policy in the late 60s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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