PawBroon Posted March 18, 2001 Author Share Posted March 18, 2001 Now one can't go sleep content in the knowledge that people will BUMP that thread? Are your Inner Crodas happy with the Originals?! Sheeshh. On the tweaking front, I submitted my MOD to the famed Marco Bergman for some tips and feedback: The list ran from A to N. While reading the mail I had a moment of angst about the fact that I wasn't up to date with my Greek and Cyrillic alphabets. Marco that's what I call heavy duty feed back. I'll try to improve on what I can because most of what you highlighted is either lack of talent from me or abscence of knowlege about Photoshop and all those fancy tools. ------------------ You are not Obsessive-CMpulsive, you are Allied-Retentive. Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted March 18, 2001 Share Posted March 18, 2001 Tres magnifique, Monsieur Pawbroon! The MP-40 on the roof is a nice touch --- and is that a cricket bat on the side there? [This message has been edited by von Lucke (edited 03-18-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PawBroon Posted March 18, 2001 Author Share Posted March 18, 2001 Originally posted by von Lucke: Tres magnifique, Monsieur Pawbroon! The MP-40 on the roof is a nice touch --- and is that a cricket bat on the side there? Thanks for that. The MP40 gives mixed feelings I'd say. My view is that a recon TC would be more than happy to shangai a MP40 to deal death from above instead of having to cope with a blend sten. It's a bit like "When eagles dare" and has no other purpose than coolness. I'll do a Thomson/Sten on as an option for the other 50% who think an MP40 is a bit too much... And NO it is NOT a cricket bat. Humbers die too fast for allowing that kind of game... It's an oil or pneumatic shock absorber or whatever. I might be more hysterical than historical for MODing purpose but that one ought to be there. For those who had trouble downloading this could go get it at CM Outpost in the Early Bird: http://www.afv-uk.net/cmoutpost/Armor/early_armor.htm ------------------ You are not Obsessive-CMpulsive, you are Allied-Retentive. Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted March 18, 2001 Share Posted March 18, 2001 I just got it with no problems?? Thought I'd let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted March 18, 2001 Share Posted March 18, 2001 Originally posted by PawBroon: On the tweaking front, I submitted my MOD to the famed Marco Bergman for some tips and feedback: Any chance of sharing A through N with us? Would be great to read Marco's tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PawBroon Posted March 18, 2001 Author Share Posted March 18, 2001 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Any chance of sharing A through N with us? Would be great to read Marco's tips. I'll see that with Marco and if there's no prob then I'll post those. You'll he is hard to please... ------------------ You are not Obsessive-CMpulsive, you are Allied-Retentive. Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PawBroon Posted March 19, 2001 Author Share Posted March 19, 2001 Here is Marco's list of Tweaks straight out of the Bag'O'Manyfinks... I've annotated some screenshots with the things that I would change if I were doing the mod. Please note that this is not intended to be a put-down of your efforts, but is just the things a total perfectionist has noticed. This is supposed to be helpful, not critical. The list: A: I think I would put shadow under the mudguards, to make them stand out better, and maybe some highlighting along those sharp top edges. B: This hatch should be the same colour as the paint around it... and don't forget to tint the hinge, which is a little too bright. ( Airbrush at about 3% opacity will give you a nice tint and tone down the whiteness. ) C: The air intake along the length of the engine deck is quite prominent in real life. On the mod it seems to disappear. Highlight the top edges, and put a black 2 pixel line right along the bottom edge. ( There's a slot there where the air goes in ) There's also a slot on the edge of the engine deck (both sides), which I quickly drew onto the JPG to show you where it goes. A quick highlight as shown here helps the look of this slot. D: There's a bolt head at each corner of the engine deck. And that engine deck is so plain it needs every bit of detail it can get. E: Serial number. Where is it? Should be here. F196184 is a genuine serial, and this is one of the few vehicles where the sides aren't mirrored. F: Personal preference, but I would have used a Thompson, a Sten, or a Very pistol rather than an MP40. G: Unit markings. As far as I'm aware, the Humbers were only used by HQ Recon troops, so the geometric symbol should be a diamond. This is how it appears in all the pictures I have. Also, you should add the unit badge and number. 52 in a red square and the black bull on a yellow box (11th armoured div) seem to be the most common in my references. They go on the front plate on either side of the geometric symbol, slightly above it. H: Hinge too bright. See B: I: Front vision hatches are a total different colour. I think I would tint them to be closer to the paint around them. J: Camouflage mismatch here. There are others, but this the most obvious. Suggest you take a little time making sure that the camo lines up. This is the thing which people always notice. K: Hatch colour. See I: L: Unit markings. 52 plus the bull. ( no geometric ). See G: M: Serial number. See E: N: The handle and hinges are a different colour. Give them the airbrush tint treatment. Also, the lighting on all the models tends to be from dead ahead, and above the vehicle. So the shadow from the handle ought to go the other way, towards the rear of the vehicle. Making sure that all the shadows go the same way has an improving effect far larger than you would expect. Well, that's all. Please don't let this long list discourage you. The base work is good, but greatness comes in the details. ------------------ You are not Obsessive-CMpulsive, you are Allied-Retentive. Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted March 19, 2001 Share Posted March 19, 2001 Originally posted by PawBroon: Here is Marco's list of Tweaks straight out of the Bag'O'Manyfinks... I've annotated some screenshots ... Oh yeah. I've gotten my share of these e-mails. Not only is Marco a Master Mod Maker, but he's also a great teacher. Mickey Mouse Ears is definitely the way to go camo-wise for this puppy. btw, ignore all that stuff about 11th Armoured Division, this should really be sporting Guards Armoured Division markings. Gordon "Grasshopper" Molek [This message has been edited by Gordon (edited 03-19-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PawBroon Posted March 19, 2001 Author Share Posted March 19, 2001 Originally posted by Gordon: Mickey Mouse Ears is definitely the way to go camo-wise for this puppy. Well amongst other things Mickey Mouse IS on the list. Will look cooler too... That and a Desert Rat for DFDR. The rest is different level of details and optional files. ------------------ You are not Obsessive-CMpulsive, you are Allied-Retentive. Mark IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted March 19, 2001 Share Posted March 19, 2001 Originally posted by Gordon: btw, ignore all that stuff about 11th Armoured Division, this should really be sporting Guards Armoured Division markings I actually would not mind seeing infantry division markings on it. 49th ID, the Polar Bears. My favourite UK ID. I have pictures of the Desert Rat Humber in Bovington, that may help you. BTW, I forgot to say what a great mod it is! ------------------ Andreas Der Kessel Home of „Die Sturmgruppe“; Scenario Design Group for Combat Mission. [This message has been edited by Germanboy (edited 03-19-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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