Annalist Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 BTS needs to add these commands to the command interface. Escort is needed for those times when you want to lead other units with another unit (e.g. tank leading halftracks) but you want the escorting unit to break off and engage any enemy units encountered while the main body continues to move. Once the main body clears the danger area, or the enemy unit is destroyed, the escorting unit moves back into its position. Move in Formation would be great for those times when you want infantry to lead your tanks by some distance in order to flush out AT teams before they can attack. The tanks are there to suppress other units that would attack the infantry (this was used extensively in the bocage country). The way it is now, the tanks reach their waypoints way ahead of the infantry and die or you constantly have to reset waypoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 BTS needs to add these commands to the command interface. They need to eh? I see. Save your breath 'cause there won't be any more changes to CM1. We're on the road to Moscow now. [This message has been edited by Phoenix (edited 01-23-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coralsaw Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Originally posted by Annalist: Escort is needed for those times when you want to lead other units with another unit (e.g. tank leading halftracks) but you want the escorting unit to break off and engage any enemy units encountered while the main body continues to move. Once the main body clears the danger area, or the enemy unit is destroyed, the escorting unit moves back into its position. CM simulates the tactical level, which means that most of the things you are looking for need to be done by the player. Your Escort command executes an operational maneuver, leaving all tactical decisions to tank or HT commanders. Even if the TacAI was able to deal with such complexity, hordes of people would probably criticise it and would like to tactically manage the escort maneuver. Move in Formation would be great for those times when you want infantry to lead your tanks by some distance in order to flush out AT teams before they can attack. The tanks are there to suppress other units that would attack the infantry (this was used extensively in the bocage country). The way it is now, the tanks reach their waypoints way ahead of the infantry and die or you constantly have to reset waypoints. Again, this is Panzer General thinking IMO. In CM, you need to do that yourself. The 1min turn is a good trade-off between giving the TacAI small (e.g. solvable) tactical problems and giving you enough time to react to enemy actions. If your tanks reach the waypoints ahead of the infantry, well, dispatch your infantry 2mins before with a recon mission, and use tanks in a support role, until the terrain is clear for them to proceed. ------------------ My squads are regular, must be the fibre in the musli... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annalist Posted January 23, 2001 Author Share Posted January 23, 2001 your solution doesn't offer the ability to trail armor 50m behind an advancing screen of infantry or, conversly, for advancing infantry to use the tank as cover from small arms fire by walking right behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annalist Posted January 23, 2001 Author Share Posted January 23, 2001 oops [This message has been edited by Annalist (edited 01-23-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annalist Posted January 23, 2001 Author Share Posted January 23, 2001 BTW, CM simulates operational manuever. I seem to remember that the levels of planning and execution, in order of decreasing scope and increasing detail are strategic, tactical and operational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Originally posted by Annalist: your solution doesn't offer the ability to trail armor 50m behind an advancing screen of infantry or, conversly, for advancing infantry to use the tank as cover from small arms fire by walking right behind it. Sure it does. Either deploy your infantry 50m ahead of your armor and give them movement orders at the same time, or if that's not possible then give the infantry movement orders for the first turn then follow up with armor. It's done all the time. As for using tanks as cover, tanks in CM do not provide cover to any unit behind it. ------------------ "I do like to see the arms and legs fly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wwb_99 Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 It is easy to maintian tanks trailing 50m behind the squishies. Simply line up the squishies 50m ahead of the tanks and give everyone move commands. I use it all of the time. WWB ------------------ Before battle, my digital soldiers turn to me and say, Ave, Caesar! Morituri te salutamus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Actually Wyatt, the distance between your infantry and armor is greater than 50m and growing, due to your infantry continuing to advance (and die), while your armor just sits there...and burns ------------------ "I do like to see the arms and legs fly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annalist Posted January 23, 2001 Author Share Posted January 23, 2001 what speed do you move the armor at, even hunt is faster than the move command for infantry. Any faster than move and you open yourself up to surprise and ambush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wwb_99 Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 LOL, Kingfish. Annalist: Move (M key) for AFVs is the same speed as Move for Infantry. It is slower than Hunt (which is similar to Run/Move Fast for infantry). WWB [This message has been edited by wwb_99 (edited 01-23-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Originally posted by Annalist: BTS needs to . . . Wow. Your third post in 6 minutes about things you don't like about the game. Is there anything you DO like about it? =/ Kitty ------------------ Hamsters at War! Chicks With Tanks Lorak's FTX "I'd rather the Bees than your Mask of Shame." - Stuka The True Blue Aussie Slang Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhorse Posted January 23, 2001 Share Posted January 23, 2001 Originally posted by Annalist: BTW, CM simulates operational manuever. I seem to remember that the levels of planning and execution, in order of decreasing scope and increasing detail are strategic, tactical and operational. Wrong... Strategic, Operational, Tactical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annalist Posted January 24, 2001 Author Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hey, KITTY, thanks for the total non sequiter. Actually, I like the game a lot. I just found a few things annoying that I thought I'd post on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annalist Posted January 24, 2001 Author Share Posted January 24, 2001 Blackhorse, thanks, I'll have to get out my FM and see for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted January 24, 2001 Share Posted January 24, 2001 Originally posted by Annalist: Hey, KITTY, thanks for the total non sequiter. Actually, I like the game a lot. I just found a few things annoying that I thought I'd post on the boards. First, it's non sequitur, not non-sequiter, and it isn't one anyway. My post was in the form of a question, therefore I wasn't stating anything. I was asking. How is asking if they like they like the game, when the person in question has done nothing but point out what he feels are flaws in it at a record pace presumptive? The vast majority of the "problems" you've been bringing up have already been discussed and explained more than once already. I only asked my original question after I saw someone post elsewhere that they were wondering the same things about your posts that I was. So now I know. Thank you for explaining. Kitty ------------------ Hamsters at War! Chicks With Tanks Lorak's FTX "I'd rather the Bees than your Mask of Shame." - Stuka The True Blue Aussie Slang Source The Unofficial Vic Bitter Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted January 24, 2001 Share Posted January 24, 2001 [We're on the road to Moscow now.] I wish you had started on the road to Buq Buq instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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