Pvt.Tom Posted January 20, 2001 Share Posted January 20, 2001 I know it was common towards the end of the war for Allied troops to move between adjacent buildings by knocking holes in the walls, why can't we do this in CM? It sucks to have to go outside when moving between buildings, I always loose men when I do. Pvt.Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 20, 2001 Share Posted January 20, 2001 FAQ and very simple; this kind of movement tactic is not implemented in CM. It will be AFAIK in CM2-Beyond Barbarossa... and btw, making holes in european buildings was a time consuming and not too easy job, to get a whole squad+support weapons from building to building... Fred [This message has been edited by Fred (edited 01-19-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt.Tom Posted January 20, 2001 Author Share Posted January 20, 2001 Thanks, I can't wait for CM2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 20, 2001 Share Posted January 20, 2001 yeah, was is Manx or Madmatt, who said "there will be only one game that will beat CM as best wargame ... and this will be CM 2..." Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted January 20, 2001 Share Posted January 20, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pvt.Tom: I know it was common towards the end of the war for Allied troops to move between adjacent buildings by knocking holes in the walls, why can't we do this in CM? It sucks to have to go outside when moving between buildings, I always loose men when I do. Pvt.Tom<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I used to live in a building in Berlin where the back half was unrenovated and still was marked by damage from WWII house-to-house fighting. (Köpenicker Str 9B, 1987) An architect planning to fix the place up took us around and showed us where he thought handgrenades had exploded, where there had been a fight in a stairwell etc. as well as some of these 'mouseholes'. The ones I saw were openings in a solid meter of masonry if my memory serves me correctly. These would almost have to be considered to be already in place at the beginning of a CM battle, as making one would take more time than the usual QB. (some or all of these holes might have been made by activists who had used the building as a hideout during conflicts with the riot police in the early 80's) One thing I really hope BTS takes the trouble to simulate is that heavy urban residential buildings should have a front building facing the street, side wings, and a back building all enclosing an open courtyard. This is a really typical arrangement, and can't really be satisfactorily represented by the present blockhouses IMO. regards, --Rett [This message has been edited by CMplayer (edited 01-20-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted January 20, 2001 Share Posted January 20, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fred: FAQ and very simple; this kind of movement tactic is not implemented in CM. It will be AFAIK in CM2-Beyond Barbarossa... and btw, making holes in european buildings was a time consuming and not too easy job, to get a whole squad+support weapons from building to building... Fred [This message has been edited by Fred (edited 01-19-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> In case anyone cares, the Canadians called that "mouseholing" and I believe other nations referred to it as such also. The Canadians first used the techique at Ortona in December 1943, though they did not invent it by any means. I'm sure other nations used it first. But it was definitely employed at Ortona and afterwards whenever the Canadians found themselves in an urban setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted January 20, 2001 Share Posted January 20, 2001 US Engineers built frame charges to blow out interior walls, the first use of such a device, but I do not think it was commonly used except in the most built up areas. The allies fought only a couple of big battles in cities, compared to what was going on in the eastern front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt.Tom Posted January 20, 2001 Author Share Posted January 20, 2001 What did the Russians and Germans do? Did they go through the walls or around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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