TABUN Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 Hi! Just stumbled about CM some weeks ago and really enjoyed playing the demo so far One question: Are tracers modelled? I mean tracers for tank rounds, you know. The german PzGr 39 and PzGr 40 had tracers to help the gunner to achieve accuracy after sensing the tracer from the first round(s). Should look cool in the game. Keep up the good work. Seems like CM is exactly the game I was waiting for years. TABUN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 These rounds had a tracer aspect at the base of the shell. This isn't something which needs to be specifically modelled in-game as : a) the shells are highly visible in flight and the gunners for all sides could see fall of shot pretty easily since a KE penetrator makes a big impact when it hits the earth. Anyways, it isn't explicitly modelled since most tank AP rounds had a tracer component and so it was common to virtually all AP shells and thus it can be modelled by including it into another factor instead of modelling it separately. BTW the name is a little reminiscent of Sarin and Zyklon B you know? Did you know Tabun was a wargas? Fionn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 TABUN If you don´t already know, here´s some stuff about your nick and his chemical family: Tabun: O- Ethyl N,N- dimethylphosphoramidocyanidate Sarin: O- Isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate Soman: O- Pinacolyl methylphosphonofluoridate VX: O- Ethyl S- 2- diisopropylaminoethylmethylphosphonothiolate All are Achetylcholinesterase blockers, thus resulting in inability of smooth muscles to decontract leading to oxygen starvation of the contaminated individual. Zyklon B is another story: It´s hydrocyanic acid, pressed to pellets which vaporize at room temperature. The gas being breathed in, the vapors combines with red blood cells, depriving the human body of vital oxygen, causing unconsciousness, and then death through oxygen starvation Sorry for the little excurse into biochemics Helge [This message has been edited by DesertFox (edited 02-15-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s bakker Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 _______ diisopropylaminoethylmethylphosphonothiolate ________ Wow ! I'l remember that one for scrabble .... imagine getting double word value on that one ! Grtz S Bakker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 S Bakker That´s why chemists use Abbreviations or trivial names. Nobody can remember these word-monsters, and these are only short ones. Ask Fionn, I bet he can add some to the list Helge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 Tabun is also the Japanese word for 'maybe', so he might just be a bit unsure ------------------ Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 LOL Helge, yeah, there's a few I could add in there. Had to do a year of chemistry (mostly organic) . As you know our drug names and disease names are real scrabble winners too . Bilateral Hemianopia etc .. Way to confuse people eh? Funnily enough instead of writing alcohol abuser on the chart in Ireland we're encouraged to write "C2H5 abuser" since most people have no idea what that means ... Thank god for the limited knowledge of Chemistry in society eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Funnily enough instead of writing alcohol abuser on the chart in Ireland we're encouraged to write "C2H5 abuser" since most people have no idea what that means ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ROFL! Reminds me of a headline in one of our Newspapers "BILD" some time ago. The headline was : DANGER!!! Nucleic acids even in Fruits and Vegetables! Helge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 LOL Helge. Did they find out if they were Ribo- or Deoxyribonucleic *GASP* ? I hope they didn't find any in humans. Could you imagine what would happen if deoxyribonucleic acids were found in humans? A TRUE scandal eh? Sometimes those reporters are so stupid eh? . I laugh at most of the medical "exposes" they make. It must be the same for you in your field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertFox Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 I really doubt that they know about the small but significant difference of the Hydroxygroup Helge ------------------ ============== Sbelling chequed wyth MICROSOFT SPELLCHECKER - vorgs grate! - The DesertFox - Email: desertfox1891@hotmail.com WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/2930/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hoerter Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 Hmm... a little chemist bashing huh... As we speak I'm running NMR's of bis- 1,2-bis[(diperfluorylethyl)phoshpino]ethane diiridium tris-(mu-hydrido) hydride in Antimonypentafluoride (Mmmm, super-acid with the viscosity of molasses). I'm running another sample as well, but I don't have the time to write that one out. Inorganic nomenclature can be a pain! Fionn, shouldn't you be writing C2H5OH? The ethyl radical would be tearing your patients apart! J PS We just got a ampule of dimethyl mercury... Anyone have any medical texts on that one? It's knocked off a few grad. students. Hope I live to see CM's release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eridani Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 Wow... I've seen threads go OT before... but this REALLY takes the cake... We are really WAY too bored -EridanMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 LOL. Justin, yep we should write C2H5OH of course but it's just quicker to write C2H5. Hell, in England they took out a patient's HEALTHY kidney last week so if all we get wrong are chemical formulae you're doing well As for ethyl radicals... I support the rights of free radicals . BAD JOKE ! Dimethyl Mercury. That's pretty dangerous isn't it? I remember being warned off that in the organic chemistry lab a few years ago . (Yes, I was one of those who figured that if Mercury was truly deadly it'd be fun to play around with it ). Ah, the impetuosity of youth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hoerter Posted February 15, 2000 Share Posted February 15, 2000 I understand the abbrevation, just a bit of ribbing . We of course do it all the time, can make for quite a lot of confusion. The alkyl mercury compounds are very nasty, dimethyl being particularly bad do to its small size. It passes through most gloves and skin very rapidly. There have been a few deaths associated with this one (probably microliter quantities involved too). Most chemical accidents in a research lab setting are less severe do to the small quantities used. I've also had the pleasure of working with HF (non-aqueous its a super-acid and also) some other super-acids, as well as phosgene, cyanide, etc... Not to mention the board favorite white phosphorous and its cousins. Like many other fields, you really learn to think ahead . Anyway, sorry for the off-topic posts, but work can be so slow sometimes . J [This message has been edited by Justin Hoerter (edited 02-15-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted February 16, 2000 Share Posted February 16, 2000 Ah, you beta testers missed some good times. There USED to be a 10 metre selection but it was gone by the time you got there *sniff* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted February 16, 2000 Share Posted February 16, 2000 Actually once we had some phosphorus and magnesium and a big tub of acid and we.... well, the next academic year they had repaired the lab and it could be used for teaching again . It REALLY was the professor who mixed them together though not us so, thankfully, we didn't get expelled . Let's just say I have a VERY good idea exactly what WP looks like up close and burning through a plastic container Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dschugaschwili Posted February 16, 2000 Share Posted February 16, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fionn: Actually once we had some phosphorus and magnesium and a big tub of acid...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That indeed does sound nasty... By the way, has anybody noticed how fast a thread can go off topic on this forum? Perhaps the thread titles should be editable so we all can see what we're really talking about. Dschugaschwili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TABUN Posted February 16, 2000 Author Share Posted February 16, 2000 ROFL ! Never thought of initiating a debate about chemistry with my question Nice to see you guys have humour Thanks for answering my question Fionn and.... Thanks to you and Helge for the little excursion into the chemistry lab At least NOW! I know something about my nick TABUN BTW: We are so OT now that another OT question shouldn´t bother anyone Does anyone know what material they used for the tracers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted February 16, 2000 Share Posted February 16, 2000 I'm pretty sure that at least some of the combatants used Iridium. Obviously some Iridium substitutes may have been used by Germany and Russia etc but Iridium was probably used mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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