Guest Captitalistdoginchina Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Hi Guys, Just a quick question, can all types of Mortars fire from inside buildings? CDIC ------------------ "Death solves all problems - no man no problem" J.V.Stalin, 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Yes you can fire a mortar from inside a building though the round will explode about eight feet above your head. Los Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Presuming the building has a roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Of course only the first shot would explode above your head, your ok from then on. Err, except you might not have a head.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlos Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 How about shooting out through the chimney? Wouldn't that be a nice touch. ------------------ < All gave some, some gave ALL> Owner of MiNa's CMBO Page http://www.combat-mission.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 The stove pipe has possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kain Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 What about firing out the window? or door? ------------------ "I BEGIN BY TAKING.I SHALL FIND SCHOLARS LATER TO DEMONSTATE MY PERFECT RIGHT." frederick II the great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 LOL =D kain wrote: > What about firing out the window? or door? Damnit, someone's gone serious on us. You couldn't do that unless you were standing on the threshold, which kind of negates the advantage of being in a building. You can't just stick the mortar out like a gun, because it needs to be at a specific angle, which is more vertical than horizontal. David ------------------ They lost all of their equipment and had to swim in under machine gun fire. As they struggled in the water, Gardner heard somebody say, "Perhaps we're intruding, this seems to be a private beach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 I can't believe that BTS has not modelled cellars in this game 'cause if they had, that would have been the ideal place to set up my mortar teams...with the commander having control over them set up directly above them on the timber floor, for spotting purposes. Jim R. ------------------ Inspector: "Does your derg bite?" Dog Owner: "No, my dog does not bite" Inspector: "Good derggie (pat, pat...growl- snap!)... Yeeow! I thought you said your derg does not bite!" Dog Owner: "That is not my dog". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdit Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 A British mortar crew member was injured (or was it killed?)when he was firing from a wood and a round detonated against a branch above his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Aitken: kain wrote: > What about firing out the window? or door? You couldn't do that unless you were standing on the threshold, which kind of negates the advantage of being in a building. You can't just stick the mortar out like a gun, because it needs to be at a specific angle, which is more vertical than horizontal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Unless it's a British 2", which would fire damn near horizontal. Handy thing to have in an urban environment. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Man Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Maybe a Tent might work..But it might look like Swiss cheese after a few volleys. ------------------ "If Patton were alive today,he'd play Combat Mission." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tss Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Panzer Man wrote: Maybe a Tent might work..But it might look like Swiss cheese after a few volleys. Then again, you'd better be shooting with delayed fuzes. One of my acquitances told that when he was in the army in the 70's they once shoot with a heavy mortar (that didn't fire automatically when a round was dropped down the tube) with a muzzle cover still on. They were lucky in that the round exploded only after it had flown some 50-100 meters. - Tommi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashford Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 MOdern 51mm mortars have two settings on the base plate a vertical and horizontal barrel setting. ALthough primarily set for wather and canopy cover (woods etc) the base plate just needs to be turned through 180 degrees to get either setting. I do not know whether the older 2" mortars had this setting, if anyon eknows can they say. However if they do it would mean that you could fire the bombs through windows and door ways. However the bombs give a nasty little 'kick' when fired, so if the the mortar was not solidly grounded (the first move taught in basic) then you would probably be in a world of trouble as the mortar skids backwards and the bomb flies out to who knows where? Hope this hlps a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pham911 Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 If you planned to fire through a window or door, you'd have a wicked narrow firing arc in all directions. Maybe the first mortar could be filled with Deutchmarks to lure the enemy into your tiny zone of fire? Then again, maybe the screams of the mortar crew who tries to walk the mortar fire would spook the enemy into retreating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 On a more serious related note; It seems mortar fire is done very differently than tank fire. I mean I can place a mortar right next to a building and have it fire over the building - this shouldn't be. The angle of fire does not appear to be taken into account for mortars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schugger Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael emrys: Unless it's a British 2", which would fire damn near horizontal. Handy thing to have in an urban environment. Michael<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmmm. I never was able to fire a 2" mortar from inside a building, no matter what the range was. ------------------ Very strong because Mikrowaben! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pham911 Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robo: On a more serious related note; It seems mortar fire is done very differently than tank fire. I mean I can place a mortar right next to a building and have it fire over the building - this shouldn't be. The angle of fire does not appear to be taken into account for mortars.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, since it's a high arc, you don't need as much of a forward angle to the mortar tube, Think of it as a lob, like standing next to a house and throwing a baseball over it. If you throw high enough you can make it over, whereas the house would have blocked you if you tried to throw it straight at the target. So, yes, mortar fire from behind a house is fine. It does decrease the range, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captitalistdoginchina Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Cor Blimey, On top form today eh guys? I had to laugh out loud all the way thru this thread.....but ya know its a serious question. In the demo i often put a US mortar team in the building ontop of the hill (VoT) and fired mortars (On and off board) from the building - but they were up to 105mm. I also did it in Chance encounter too with the us 60mm mortar. So my question was really to find out whether it was still allowed in the full game coz i always thought that it was not so realistic. Anyway can this still happen in V1.5 ?? And thanks for the laughs, when i ask a humorous question i get a straight answer - when i ask a serious question i get scarcasm!! If i could get the hang of the smilies i would add some here fellas. Now i gotta go and chuckle away some more. CDIC ------------------ "Death solves all problems - no man no problem" J.V.Stalin, 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 "What about firing out the window? or door?" As Pham says you have a very dangerously narrow firing arc that would preclude short range fire. The higher up the mortar points the shorter the range (also you have to figure in the charges). Also every time ou fire a mortar, the baseplate shifts. I've seen a mortar buried halfway into the ground after 30 mins of firing depending on where it's set in. This shifting makes it especially dangerous to fire through a narrow arc. As to CD's original question the answer is NO. Los Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 Reminds me of the Japanese knee mortars. Excellent light mortar, that apparently was responsible for some number of American casualties even after it was taken out of action. Apparently, America troops (probably Marines, as they are not particularly bright) would attempt to fire the mortar by resting the base against their knee, resulting in a broken femur when the weapon was fired. The term knee mortar comes from the way it was carried, not the way it was fired... Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pham911 Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Los: "What about firing out the window? or door?" As Pham says you have a very dangerously narrow firing arc that would preclude short range fire. The higher up the mortar points the shorter the range (also you have to figure in the charges). Also every time ou fire a mortar, the baseplate shifts. I've seen a mortar buried halfway into the ground after 30 mins of firing depending on where it's set in. This shifting makes it especially dangerous to fire through a narrow arc. As to CD's original question the answer is NO. Los<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmmm, does this mean that if you deployed a mortar on a hard surface like a paved road that the energy that would normally be pounding the mortar into the earth would be forcing it to slide and shift the whole base? So, mortars are less accurate if used on surfaces that have no "give"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richlop Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I can't believe that BTS has not modelled cellars in this game 'cause if they had, that would have been the ideal place to set up my mortar teams...with the commander having control over them set up directly above them on the timber floor, for spotting purposes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scott Clinton Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 I for one wish there was an exceptoin for the British 2" mortar. The 2" was loved for its ability to fire almost horizonally (as well as its quick setup and light weight). It proved very useful in house clearing. Considering its very limited range and blast, without this ability it is of little use in the game now (IMO). Side note: In AH's Firepower (as man-to-man level game) this baby rocks! Its damn near heavy arty on that level and I remember worrying about its minimum range! ------------------ Please note: The above is solely the opinion of 'The Grumbling Grognard' and reflects no one else's views but his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted September 22, 2000 Share Posted September 22, 2000 In the case of firing a mortar on a hard surface you either have to sandbag in the baseplate or reset everything after a few shots. It can still be accurate, but to maintain accuracy requires a reduction in ROF. It's why you usually don't set up a mortar in a parking lot. (Puts a lot more stress on the tube also) Keep in mind the smaller the mortar the less ever an issue this becomes. Los Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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