General Gavin 82nd AB Posted September 3, 2000 Share Posted September 3, 2000 Anyone have any info on what vehicles would make up a typical armoured recon battalion circa 1944. The only info that I have found so far is on Capt. Paul Grabbners assault on Arnhem bridge in Sept. of 1944. This mentioned 2 pumas, 3 other armoured cars, half-tracks (some 75mm armed) and truck mounted infantry. Nothing much else mentioned. Any hard stats would be appreciated! ------------------ Give me hamsters or give me night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted September 3, 2000 Share Posted September 3, 2000 At this point in time, I don't think there were many, if any, panzer units following the official TO/TE completely. I do, however, have the TO/TE for the 17th SS Panzer's recon battalion as of 6 June 1944. Don't know how typical (or even how accurate) it is, however. Anyway.... 1 armored car company of 4 x 234/1 and 3 platoons each with 2 x 222 and 3 x 221/1 3 scout companies each with the following: 1 x Schwimmwagen for the CO 3 platoons of ?? Schwimmwagens 1 weapons platoon with 10 x Schwimmwagens, 4 x HMGs, and 4 x 120mm mortars 1 AT company with the following: 1 Kubel for the CO 3 x 75mm ATG, 3 x 75mm lIG, 6 x trucks, and 1 platoon of engineers in Schwimmwagens 1 HQ company with some trucks, Kubels, and 221/1s ------------------ -Bullethead Want a naval sim? Check out Raider Operations at www.historicalgames.bizland.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog0606 Posted September 3, 2000 Share Posted September 3, 2000 Got this out of "German Panzer Tactics in World War II" by Charles C. Sharp. It's an Armored Reconnaissance Battalion of a Panzer Division 1 June 1944. Armored Reconnaissance Battalion Battalion HQ (3 LMGs) Staff Armored Car Company ---Signal Platoon (7 LMGs) ---(16 Armored Cars) 1 Armored Car Company ---Company HQ (4 Armored Cars) ---1 Heavy Platoon (6 Armored Cars) ---1 Light Platoon (6 Armored Cars) 1 Light Armored Reconnaissance Company ---Company HQ (4 LMGs) ---3 Reconnaissance Platoons, each: ----12 LMGs ---1 Heavy Platoon -----4 LMGs, 2 81mm mortars, -----2 75mm Cannon 1 Armored Reconnaissance Company ---Company HQ (7 LMGs, 1 20mm AA) ---3 Reconnaissance Platoons, each: ----6 LMGs, 2 20mm AA ---1 Heavy Platoon ----4 LMGs, 2 81mm mortars, ----2 75mm Cannon 1 Heavy Company ---Company HQ (1 LMG) ---Mortar Platoon ----6 81mm mortars, 2 LMGs ---Light Infantry Gun Platoon ----6 75mm Inf Guns, 2 LMGs ---Engineer Platoon (13 LMGs) [This message has been edited by MadDog0606 (edited 09-03-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIPIO AFRICANUS Posted September 3, 2000 Share Posted September 3, 2000 Try this link: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/2930/Tactics/Panzertaktik.htm Interesting stuff. ------------------ Alea jacta est. Delenda Carthago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Gavin 82nd AB Posted September 4, 2000 Author Share Posted September 4, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCIPIO AFRICANUS: Try this link: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/2930/Tactics/Panzertaktik.htm Interesting stuff. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks very much to all above for the posts. Very helpful stuff! ------------------ Give me hamsters or give me night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 4, 2000 Share Posted September 4, 2000 'Steel Inferno' by Michael Reynolds has the following: 1stSS Pz Div (Recce Btn.), June44 1st Recce Coy: VWs 2nd Recce Coy: as above 3rd Recce Coy: PzGrenadiers in SPWs (probably 250s) 4th Recce Coy: 16 Pumas 5th (Heavy) Recce Coy: Medium mortars, Pak40s and Pioneer Platoons 12thSS Pz Div (Recce Btn.) June44 1st Recce Coy: Armoured Cars (probably 234/1 or 250/9) 2nd Recce Coy: as above 3rd Recce Coy: Pz Gren. (prob in Sdkfz250) 4th Recce Coy: as above 5th (Heavy) Recce Coy: Pioneers, Pak40s As far as the Pumas of the 1st SS go, I personally think this is a mistake and the same for those claimed for Graebner at Arnhem. Most likely they were 232s, 234/1s or 250/9. As discussed previously, only 101 Pumas were built and they equipped 4 Panzer Divisions. The two on the Western Front were Panzer Lehr and 2nd Panzer. 'Puma' seems almost to be used to mean any form of heavy German A/C just as some books would have you believe Tigers were everywhere Panzer Lehr (Recce Btn.) June44 1st Recce Coy: 26 Pumas 2nd Recce Coy: 26 Sdkfz250/9 3rd Recce Coy: Pz Gren in 26 SPWs, of which 2 were 251/2(mortar) and 3 were 251/9(75mm L/24) 4th Recce Coy: as above 5th (Heavy) Recce Coy: 26 SPWs including 6X251/9, 2 towed Pak40s, 2 towed 75mm IG and a section of pioneers. Cheers ('La Panzer Lehr Division', J-C Perrigault) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durruti Posted September 17, 2000 Share Posted September 17, 2000 No mention of the Sdkfz222 4-wheeler in any of these TO&Es. Had it been phased out altogether? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durruti Posted September 18, 2000 Share Posted September 18, 2000 Oops, didn't notice Bullethead's inclusion of 222s in 17thSS first time round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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