dog6880 Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 OK i just got the game and i decided to play the missions before the operations and i decided to do it by completing the shortest ones first and moving up. In Grosshau Ridge an aircraft comes and drops two bombs on german troops and then straffs the american troops. what is this???i played it for both sides and it happend the same way. It first levels the germans whoever may be running to the ridge and then straffs the german tank and the american troops. Just a confused piolet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoot Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 dog, You'll actually find that to be a frighteningly common occurence when air support gets involved. This is especially true when when fights get close and the "front lines" become fuzzy. Clubfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog6880 Posted December 30, 2000 Author Share Posted December 30, 2000 but who caled it in? just targets of oportunity for the piolet? what was he an impartial combatant? so i take it airsupport can just wander into a mission with out anyone asking for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 Air support is added by the scenario designer. I think it should be noted that in WWII front line troops didn't "get on the horn" and "call in" air support. The aircraft that you "saw" was in the area and attacked targets of opportunity. Pretty common occurance in the time frame the CM portrays. "Search and destroy boys!" [This message has been edited by Phoenix (edited 12-30-2000).] [This message has been edited by Phoenix (edited 12-30-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 Just watch Kelly's Heros and you will know ALL about how air support works in the ETO in WWII. IF you have not watched Kelly's Heroes it is an unofficial prerequisite for posting here So go out and rent it and watch it and memorize it! -tom w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 Finished reading a unit history of the 743rd Tank Battalion not too long ago, in which the tankers are constantly (as in at least once a week for a couple of hectic months in '44) being strafed by their own AC. In one rather frustrating incident, they saw the P-47's lining up for their run, and hurried to lay out the aircraft identification panels they'd been supplied with after the last "friendly" fire attack --- only to have the jabos strafe them anyway! And yes, the AC in CM don't differentiate between friend and foe too well either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog6880 Posted December 30, 2000 Author Share Posted December 30, 2000 ok makes sence i get it. so it was sort of like in the saving private ryan scene with the americanplane comes and blows a way that german tank? ok thank you i'll read the game book on that part and check ou tthe movie thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntg84 Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phoenix: I think it should be noted that in WWII front line troops didn't "get on the horn" and "call in" air support. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I thought tanks in Normandy were able to call up fighters. The tank crewman were forward air observers. They would tell a fighter where to go, or tell someone who was in communication with the fighter and they would be sent to the General area and told what to hit, according to Steven Ambrose in one of his books. [This message has been edited by ntg84 (edited 12-30-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted December 30, 2000 Share Posted December 30, 2000 IIRC, USAAF and RAF air support could and was called in FO style by special teams. The US eventually installed some radios in tanks that operated on aircraft frequencies to facilitate calling in airstrikes. Finally, aerial FOs in Pipers and Stimsons could call in jabos. The key to getting air cover on call seemed to be whether aircraft were orbiting in the vicinity of the FO awaiting strike orders. And, yes, own goals were fairly common, particularly when procedures were not fully developed. Somewhere, I think I read about the percentage of tactical air missions that were called versus the percentage that were strikes on targets of opportunity. By the bye, I'd love to see Piper FOs buzzing around in CM:BO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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